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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on May 14, 2011, 03:03:46 PM
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This is always a good topic for debate, info, and knowledge...
I have the Scala G4 powerset for me and my wife's helmets, we love it, works great! Blue tooth phone, FM radio, mp3, GPS, and helmet to helmet bike to bike communication... :thumbs: :thumbs:
What are you guys running??
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in for replies! thanks ZG! 8)
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I am in the market for a Bluetooth intercom set-up and it looks like its down to the Scala G4 and the Sena SMH-10. One big plus for the Sena is that I prefer earbuds and the Sena offers that. I can buy the SMH-10 dual system, everything for 2 riders for $269.
I would also like to hear some input from others on this.
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I heavily researched this last year, and it was down to the G4, Sena, and BlueAnt F4...
Here's the site I used... though THIS direct comparison didn't exist when I was looking http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-intercoms/2010-motorcycle-intercom-comparison.htm (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-intercoms/2010-motorcycle-intercom-comparison.htm).
I originally liked the Sena's ability for earbuds, but then decided that one of my motivations for this was to get rid of wires... not just limit them to my helmet. I also wasn't completely sold on the large knob and how low the boom installed below the helmet. I also needed a flat (wired) mike (not the boom) which eliminated the Sena beck then. Sena now has a flat (wired) mike available. I recommend putting your hand inside your chin bar to see how much room you have between your mouth and helmet, this is how I decided I needed a flat mike.
The F4 takes a hit for more than 2 riders, but that was not a concern for me. I'm either riding alone, or with one other.
Both the Sena and F4 were rated very well for sound quality.
So, I ended up with the F4, and have had zero* complaints since then. I paired it with my iPhone flawlessly... took 3 tries with my old RAZR. Also paired it to a friends Zumo, first try. Sound quality is excellent. I've found I need to wear ear plugs, as the speakers seem to be calibrated assuming you're wearing plugs. Automatic sound leveling works great, tho sometimes it seems to go up and down randomly (*only on the Ducati... not on the Connie). I've made phone calls while on the freeway, and I was told the call was clear, and they didn't realize I was on a bike until I said something. The buttons are actually not to bad to find while riding, even with my winter gloves (I've only had heated grips for a couple months now). Battery life it great. The F4 easily lasts a few days. I did pick up a cigarette charger, just in case. Range is fine. Better in line of sight... but when I ride group, line of sight is no issue. I did ride beyond the range, and the sets connected again without any input by me. Bike to bike communication works great... clear and easy to use. Single button press allows comm or music.
So, in conclusion... I have nothing but props for my F4, but would probably go with the Sena if I was purchasing today.
That's my 4 cents.
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thank you RBX. you did all the hard work for us!
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Sena for me. I like the fact the controls can be adjusted with gloves on, plus the 3.5mm plug for headphones.
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Starcom1 Digital. I tried a BlueAnt and an Autocomm Pro AVi and didn't really care for either one. The BlueAnt was difficult to change modes (intercom, FM, etc.) and tell where you were. It was a 'round robin' type of one button device and it ended up with both of us (my wife and I) saying 'Hello'? in all four modes until the other party answered (and it was never an FM radio station). The Autocomm was OK but did not have the ability to have two separate music inputs, one for each of us, at the same time nor did it have independent cell phone inputs for each of us; the Starcom has both as independent inputs (we don't have to listen to the other's music or phone calls). Both of the other systems also had a VOX setup which required either a fairly long 'uhhhhhhmmmmmm' to activate the intercom circuit or say the first few words of each sentence over again. The Starcom has true full- duplex and the mics are hot all the time so the intercom grabs the first sound properly.
The Starcom is not perfect and it isn't cheap but it is the best system I have used so far.
Brian
This is always a good topic for debate, info, and knowledge...
I have the Scala G4 powerset for me and my wife's helmets, we love it, works great! Blue tooth phone, FM radio, mp3, GPS, and helmet to helmet bike to bike communication... :thumbs: :thumbs:
What are you guys running??
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edit... The BlueAnt was difficult to change modes (intercom, FM, etc.) and tell where you were. It was a 'round robin' type of one button device and it ended up with both of us (my wife and I) saying 'Hello'? in all four modes until the other party answered (and it was never an FM radio station). ...edit... Both of the other systems also had a VOX setup which required either a fairly long 'uhhhhhhmmmmmm' to activate the intercom circuit or say the first few words of each sentence over again. ...edit...
Brian
I believe the older BlueAnt model is what Brian is referring to. The F4 is newer (came out late '09 or early '10), and is full duplex. I was finding the same bad reviews of the older BlueAnt when I was searching last year. The F4 doesn't have these issues at all. I've done 300 mile rides in full duplex. The F4 also has no FM... just the comm or the phone/GPS/iPod.
I just looked at the BlueAnt website... looks like they're getting out of the helmet comm business... the F4 isn't even listed anymore. So... choose your products accordingly.
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I have had the Scala G4 for about 2 weeks now. I love it. The sound quality is far better than I expected. I stream my iPhone 4 to it with no problems. Most people have said that it doesn't sound like I am talking to them at 80mph.
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I started with the Q2, then went to the G4 and now have the Sena SMH10 for the wife and I, and she rides her own bike. The Sena works for us and offer a base plate to use your own ear buds and also has a 3.5mm input for something that isn't bluetooth.
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I have the senas and all my friends have/had the scala g4. once they experienced the senas ease of use coupled with superior sound and lower price its was a no brainer, they all switched over! 8)
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Yep, probably was an older model as it was a few years ago when I tried them out. These types of technical things change and improve over time so everyone should take reviews and opinions like mine with a grain of salt and consider that a newer model(s) may have addressed any problems mentioned.
Brian
I believe the older BlueAnt model is what Brian is referring to. The F4 is newer (came out late '09 or early '10), and is full duplex. I was finding the same bad reviews of the older BlueAnt when I was searching last year. The F4 doesn't have these issues at all. I've done 300 mile rides in full duplex. The F4 also has no FM... just the comm or the phone/GPS/iPod.
I just looked at the BlueAnt website... looks like they're getting out of the helmet comm business... the F4 isn't even listed anymore. So... choose your products accordingly.
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I have only used the Sena and the SO and I like them. I did replace my original base with one that has the "flat mic" when I switched to a different helmet with less chin bar space. 16 months so far and still happy.
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J&M Audio's Nolan setup is working fantastic for me. The sound quality and volume is outstanding, and their customer service is top notch.
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What is your opinions re ear buds vs speakers?
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I did replace my original base with one that has the "flat mic" when I switched to a different helmet with less chin bar space.
Excellent point TM, thanks for bringing that up... :thumbs: :goodpost:
Depending on what type of helmet you have also makes a difference with what intercom set-up to go with. My wife and I both have Arai Corsair's and they fit too close to the face for a boom mic, we had to get the "wired mic's" for our set-up. They do work great though but something to definitely keep in mind because in our case the wired mic's are an option for additional $ of course, not all options out there are available in a wired mic...
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I started with the Q2, then went to the G4 and now have the Sena SMH10 for the wife and I, and she rides her own bike. The Sena works for us and offer a base plate to use your own ear buds and also has a 3.5mm input for something that isn't bluetooth.
I have the Q2 and use it only a few times a year on rides with my brother. They work but I got spoiled with a bluetooth interface to my blackberry for music too with a cheapo I bought on black friday. Does the G4 work this way or the Sena? What did you do with your old units? I'm looking for one more Q2 unit, cheap. ;D
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I used to use earbuds. I cant remember what brand but I spent about $70 on them. It drove me NUTS when one would work its way out while I was on the road. The switch to speakers really has brought something back to my rides. I tried Chatterbox and one other, but just couldnt hear them well. The J&M setup has amazing volume and sound, and I have ridden up to about 15 hours before recharging (it hadnt quit yet, I just found the energy to plug it in that day.)
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I have the Q2 and use it only a few times a year on rides with my brother. They work but I got spoiled with a bluetooth interface to my blackberry for music too with a cheapo I bought on black friday. Does the G4 work this way or the Sena? What did you do with your old units? I'm looking for one more Q2 unit, cheap. ;D
Yes, I blue tooth the mp3 on my Garmin to my G4, works awesome! :thumbs:
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I was surprised that the Q2 didn't have the bluetooth for music...kind of crappy. BUT these work WONDERFUL for phone calls (via bluetooth!) and of course the intercom is impeccable as long as you are under a mile (or so) of separation. It's funny how long I spend trying to convince someone that calls me that I'm REALLY riding my bike on the freeway at over 70+ speeds. They just can't believe it since they can't hear any sounds to "prove" it, and they hear me perfectly, like I'm in a quiet room in the house. Pretty awesome job Cardo folks did on these.
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I have both a Scala G4 Powerset, and two of the UClear HBC100 sets...I like the boomless mic aspect of the UClear...makes it very easy to fit to any helmet...sound quality is about equal on both sets...very good! I do like the fact that the G4 lets me plug in a wired mp3, though...
Now that riding season is here...I really need to decide which one I want to keep...and sell the other set...decisions...decisions...decisions....
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Hey guys, its good to be back online.
FYI...
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-intercoms/uclear-hbc-100/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-intercoms/uclear-hbc-100/)
By the way, we can not reproduce the issues that WBW had with the GSP devices.
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That Sena is looking better to me all the time. I wanna use my DroidX for Navi and music for now. And phone calls of course.
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Sena. Got one. Love it. BIG tuning wheel on the outside of it so you can adjust things even while wearing gloves.
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I researched for many, many hours and gave up. I am stuck with a NON bluetooth Zumo model and would have to get that to send music/voice to the headset. That would require some type of powered, 3.5mm to bluetooth adapter accessory that apparently NONE of the manufacturers offer. There are third party ones, but they either have horrible reviews or use batteries and no provision for 12V.
So I am stuck with no phone, and wired speakers from helmet to the bike/Zumo. :(
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The more I look into it, nothing against anyother brands, but it seems to me that the SENA SMH10 is the way to go for the features and the price.
Cheapest price I have found so far is $296.98 at http://www.cli-maxridinggear.com/servlet/the-3129/Sena-SMH10-SMH-10/Detail (http://www.cli-maxridinggear.com/servlet/the-3129/Sena-SMH10-SMH-10/Detail)
Has anyone found it cheaper somewhere else?
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The more I look into it, nothing against anyother brands, but it seems to me that the SENA SMH10 is the way to go for the features and the price.
Cheapest price I have found so far is $296.98 at http://www.cli-maxridinggear.com/servlet/the-3129/Sena-SMH10-SMH-10/Detail (http://www.cli-maxridinggear.com/servlet/the-3129/Sena-SMH10-SMH-10/Detail)
Has anyone found it cheaper somewhere else?
I thought someone saw it for 269.00. I'm trying to find that post and find out where. I'm tempted to try out one first to check it out.
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I've been very happy with the Starcom1 Digital, meets all my needs. But speaker (earbuds) and microphone seem to play a key roles on comfort and quality.
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Autocom works well for me.
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anyone using the Schuberth c3 and it's Scala set up? I just got it and want to synch it to my Zumo 550, but haven't done it yet. Ride from Phoenix to Palm Springs on Friday and will try it for the first time. Will give you and update on Sunday. Go Irish!
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I thought someone saw it for 269.00. I'm trying to find that post and find out where. I'm tempted to try out one first to check it out.
That was the price a few months ago, seems the current price is 299.00 for the dual set
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I could have sworn I saw the Sena dual set for $269 somewhere as well within the last week or so. If I find it again, I'll post.
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I could have sworn I saw the Sena dual set for $269 somewhere as well within the last week or so. If I find it again, I'll post.
If I can get that price shipped I am on it.
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Here is a place showing $266, never heard of them, do your due diligence before putting up your money though.
http://www.getyourtech.com/servlet/the-164954/Bluetooth%26reg-scln--Headsets-and-Intercom/Detail (http://www.getyourtech.com/servlet/the-164954/Bluetooth%26reg-scln--Headsets-and-Intercom/Detail)
No affiliation and I don't want to be blamed if they are a rip off. ???
Well I just googled a quick review of the company, I say stay away but:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/GetYourTech (http://www.resellerratings.com/store/GetYourTech)
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If I can get that price shipped I am on it.
I am in for sure at that price. Doesn't anyone on this forum have a hook-up at Sena for us? :(
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I have had the SENA for a little over a year now..My wife rides her own ride and so bike to bike was important. SENA has by far exceeded my expectations.
I have sent an e-mail to the vendor I used and asked him if he was willing to participate in group buy. I will advise when he responds. I have no affiliation with them but he better then price matched when I bought from him.
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Will the Sena install into the Nolan N-Com mounting location so I don't end up with something drooping down on the side of my helmet? I can get a really good deal on the Sena if we can do a bulk purchase of 5 or more units. The more we get, the better the discount. I'll do some checking and get a price published for those interested.
-SparX
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I know I'll get dung for this post and deserve it but....I went two years without a bike and somehow lost the main part of my chatterbox tandem and plan on replacing it. We used it and really liked it outside of +85 mph kinda useless... my thought was fine- I need to be paying more attention anyhow.
After looking at new prices of better stuff I thought $60.00 ;my helmets wired and I have all the goodies,they "say" it has connectability we'll see-but really if you can deal with wires it's your pillions job & they like like that :)
Mike
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if the price is right (ie...less than the $299 you can find them online), count me in on a group buy.
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Following is the response from the vendor I got my SENA from, I can only speak from my experience and he has shipped to me twice same day, good communication and fair pricing. Maybe there are cheaper out there but I stick with vendors that appear to want my business not just my dollars. Best way to reach them is probably through the web http://radiorider.com/default.aspx (http://radiorider.com/default.aspx) Again I have no connection with the company.
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There are that many Concours in Bemidji?! Ha Ha. I drive a FJR1300, so I ‘m riding a similar style bike. Fun stuff.
I tell you what... Since you’re a local and you ride a great bike, I’ll sell to your friends for $275 for a Dual Pack, $155 for a single Pack SENA product. We will also give you FREE PRIORITY SHIPPING. Just tell them “RadioRider.com loves Concours” and if they say they are on the “Concours Forum and tell RadioRider.com what year and color they ride”, they can get the discount.
OK?
Ron Flemming
PMB#173
4302 13th Ave S, Ste 4
Fargo, ND 58103
Toll Free 888-939-4440
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btw we have a fine gang of riders wearing tires on all the lake twisters, OK be careful with gang..1%..NO..fine gentlemen and women riding these marvelous machines. Good luck Ron these gents appear pretty solid.
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Nice! What is the programmable version 02?
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I had mine on a Nolan 102 and now a Nolan 90, takes a bit of thought and pre fit as I used the adhesive pad. works good
Will the Sena install into the Nolan N-Com mounting location so I don't end up with something drooping down on the side of my helmet? I can get a really good deal on the Sena if we can do a bulk purchase of 5 or more units. The more we get, the better the discount. I'll do some checking and get a price published for those interested.
-SparX
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Well, that beats what I was able to do. RadioRider sounds like a good deal.
-SparX
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I use the Midland BT2D headset. I have had it Bluetooth to my Zumo 660, iPhone and other devices. The range is not as good as the other bluetooth headsets but the perk for me is you can wire in a GMRS radio. If you get the kit the GMRS radio then has push to talk. I had this feature on my Autocomm which was very nice but the Autocomm had a big wire running to the helmet. I have noticed when you lose line of sight on any Bluetooth headset you lose connection. Not a big deal if you ride close but something to consider none the less. The GMRS radios truely get me a mile or better and works even when there isnt line of sight. I was impressed at how well they work. Also with the radio you are not limited to communicating with 2 or 3 people. It is anyone with a radio on the same channel. The sound quaility is good and the blue tooth features when riding by yourself work great. I would probably argue the Autocomm was better especially audio and the mic noise canceling but I didnt like a wire hooked to my head. I see they are coming out with a Bluetooth version I will probably buy. If you get the Midland and the GMRS radios I recommend you buy some type of inline amplifier like a Boostaroo to increase the volume from the radio but that is the only part that was a road bump. Once I figured that out we have been able to use the radios with great success
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Nice! What is the programmable version 02?
Version 2 has a usb plug and can be upgraded. No change of in software/firmware yet, but we are told that in July the sena will be able to open conference to three other sena. No details other than that. We only have the new Version on hand. Availability is limited as Sena tries to keep up with demand. - ron@radiorider.com
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Just placed my order on radiorider.com.
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Just placed my order on radiorider.com.
Did you do this on-line? I sniffed around but didn't see where to input the information for the group buy discount. The site wanted to take me immediately to PayPal. I tried calling them, but it went to voice mail. I did leave a return number. Hope they call back. I want in on this, expecially after accidently pulling my ear buds out a couple of times during this past weekend 900 mile marathon ride.
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I had the same thing. Called and went to voicemail. Didn't leave a message. On the last screen before you hit the "pay now" button on the right hand side there is a little link in blue that says something about "special instructions" or something like that. Just click that link and a box will pop up. Just leave the Forum information there.
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I had the same thing. Called and went to voicemail. Didn't leave a message. On the last screen before you hit the "pay now" button on the right hand side there is a little link in blue that says something about "special instructions" or something like that. Just click that link and a box will pop up. Just leave the Forum information there.
you got it.. you could also email him and he can invoice you that way. I have always found it best to email when I was looking for something. sales@radiorider.com
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I had the same thing. Called and went to voicemail. Didn't leave a message. On the last screen before you hit the "pay now" button on the right hand side there is a little link in blue that says something about "special instructions" or something like that. Just click that link and a box will pop up. Just leave the Forum information there.
Thanks. I'll give it until tonight (Tuesday) and if I don't hear back I'll follow your lead. I was just concerned about getting charged the full amount as opposed to the group discount price.
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Just want to update everyone on my process with ordering from RadioRider.com. I was charged $299 at the time of sale, with only my faith that they would refund the difference to what they said they would sell to us for. Well, I just got this email so I wanted to pass it on:
"First Page Enterprises just sent you a refund
First Page Enterprises just sent you a partial refund of $24.25 USD for your purchase. If you have any questions about this refund, please contact First Page Enterprises."
Looking for the SENA to be delivered friday but overall, I have to say I have been pleased with radiorider.com and the order process.
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I just ordered this as well. I could not find a lot of room for the AutoCom that I used on my C10. I am excited to go "wireless". I think my better half will enjoy it as well.
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Can you get the Sena with the wired mic base to begin with?
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Do you have to email them and let them know your a member here to get the rebate/discount? Would like to order mine today if possible. Also what is wired mic?
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I sent an email yesterday but got no reply...maybe tomorrow
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Can you get the Sena with the wired mic base to begin with?
I am almost certain you can get the wired system. I remember seeing it at one point. Only thing is you may have to order it as an accessory.
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I am chiming in here to note that I am looking for feedback from those of you guys getting the Sena.
I would love to be able to stream Pandora as I ride (when I am in areas that get cell signal), or use the Google Directions on my Droid or take a call, or plug in my MP3 player via a wire. I also am looking for communications with my wife who will start riding with me more now that I have the Connie. So, once you get them and use them, post up!
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I am chiming in here to note that I am looking for feedback from those of you guys getting the Sena.
I would love to be able to stream Pandora as I ride (when I am in areas that get cell signal), or use the Google Directions on my Droid or take a call, or plug in my MP3 player via a wire. I also am looking for communications with my wife who will start riding with me more now that I have the Connie. So, once you get them and use them, post up!
Sure thing. Mine is suppose to arrive tomorrow (friday). We have a trip planned to Duluth/North Shore in 2 weeks so me and the wife will really get a chance to utilize all the features and give some feedback.
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Thanks DocPigskin, because we are going for a ride Saturday (first one with the two of us of any distance) and the other couple will be able to talk to each other and I know we will chat about that during stops (the lack of my wife and I being able to communicate).
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Irish 14 - I have the C2 helmet and Shuberth bluetooth system connected to my Zumo 550 and cell phone. Very happy with it. With the previous Cardo Q2, I had it at 90% volume, with the C2 setup, I have it at 30%volume for the same result. Cardo ( who made both systems) appear to have made a couple of jumps in the technology. Currently on mono, but will try to set up with my Zumo 660 at some time. Actually, I don't really mind mono, so long as I can hear the music.
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Can you get the Sena with the wired mic base to begin with?
No, it comes with the boom mic, you have to buy the base plate that allows using the wired button mic.
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I placed my order a couple of days ago. I have not recieved any information other that I was billed for the full price. Hoping to here something soon. I hope we didn't overwhelm them. How long did it take for members to recieved any followup information other that the billing?
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No, it comes with the boom mic, you have to buy the base plate that allows using the wired button mic.
Thanks that's what I needed to know. Still trying to decide whether or not I really want to go with this when all I really need is bluetooth connection to my phone.
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I placed my order a couple of days ago. I have not recieved any information other that I was billed for the full price. Hoping to here something soon. I hope we didn't overwhelm them. How long did it take for members to recieved any followup information other that the billing?
Think they are away til June 13th..
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I havent heard back either but ill wait til mon and see
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I tried calling them at least 6 times. Always got an answering machine. Didn't leave a message after the first one, but went ahead and ordered on-line Tuesday evening, using the comment block to quote the discount information. Paypay notified me almost immediately that I was billed the full amount. A short time later I got a shipping notice. I figured I would NEVER get the discount. WRONG. The next day I got an e-mail telling me of the rebate. Around 5PM on Wed, I got a call back from the orginal message left 6 days earlier. Today, the product arrived. So, order placed on-line Tuesday night. Rebate notice received Wed. Call back received Wed. Product received Friday. Not bad at all. Haven't had a chance to even open the box.
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Mine just came in the mail today (about 5 days from order to delivery) and was charged the $275.00 price.
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I guess they were out till the 13th. Got notification of refund and that the Sena is shipped. Love new farkles.
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Glad..and a bit relieved that it is working out for all...
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We are using the Scala. seems to work well for us
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Used my new SENA yesterday for the first time. Wireless bluetooth to my iPod and to my phone. Took 2 phone calls while on the bike yesterday and clarity was awesome and neither phone call could believe I was on the bike driving 65 down the highway. I was also caught in the rain, and no issues. So far so good.
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I'm going to have to convince the wife that I "need" these. Any idea how long this offer from Radiorider is good for?
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Used my new SENA yesterday for the first time. Wireless bluetooth to my iPod and to my phone. Took 2 phone calls while on the bike yesterday and clarity was awesome and neither phone call could believe I was on the bike driving 65 down the highway. I was also caught in the rain, and no issues. So far so good.
How do the speakers sound? I am interested in good sound.
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The only thing I have to compare it to is my Apple earbuds and I would say the sound is crisper and more amplitude.
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The only thing I have to compare it to is my Apple earbuds and I would say the sound is crisper and more amplitude.
How is the bass?
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Ordered from radiorider.com Sun night, received Wed afternoon, installed & test ridden immediately. Very nice - exactly what we were looking for! Got the discount also - thanx, Ron! (And also to DocPigskin!)
Anyone want some very gently used Uclears? Check the For Sale section... ;D
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Everyone who got the Sena, still happy with it? Getting ready to order something and want to know!
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Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered the dual setup as my wife and I may be doing a long ride next weekend. Hope it gets to me in time.
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Had a Sena for 5 months and used it 2 up on a 2000 mile trip to San Francisco. Great set-up, easy to use with the large dial, pairs with both the Blackberry and the Garmin Nuvi 765. The new version uses USB so should be software upgrade-able. Given the performance and price, I would recommend it.
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Finally took the plunge and ordered the Sena via email last Thursday. Came in on Tuesday. Working great so far with my phone. will sync the second unit to the first and install in my daughter's helmet this weekend.
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Wow, I got my Sena this afternoon (ordered Friday morning)!
I am going to see if I can get it charged up and setup tonight to try on my ride in to work tomorrow.
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Using Sena SM10 just sent off for the upgraded models...
Ninja
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We used our Sena's for the first time on the bike Sunday. I stream music on the iPhone via Pandora. The intercom functioned great and Pandora sounds good as well. I am still trying to get the 765T Nuvi to give directions and play well with Pandore as well as use the iPhone for calls but I cannot seem to figure it out. I will try Pairing the iPhone to the Nuvu then the Buvi to the Sena tomorrow and see if that works. Also there were two different ways to pair the iPhone for Music/Handsfree so it will be trial and error.
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I got my Sena synched up to the phone. It took a few tries as there are 3 different ways to synch it and I did all three and it worked. If you only do 1 or 2, it doesn't work at all or only gives you music. This is on an HTC Incredible. Today as I was riding in, I tried a phone call for the first time and it worked really good. I left myself a message at work and even without me yelling into the mic, it picked up well and you could easily hear what I was saying.
Might get to try the intercom this weekend, we will see. We tried it in the house with the helmets on and it worked fine.
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To answer questions about sound quality - I have owned the Scala Q2's (dual set) for about 2 years and then I purchased the Sena's (dual set) about 1 year ago. The Sena set had way more bass and volume than the Scala's ever had, (plus the big button/dial on the Sena is so much more easy to control) Anyway, I took the old Scala's out of our full-face helmets and mounted them to our open-faced helmets, replacing them with the Sena set. Because its been summer and hot in south Texas, recently we have been using the open faced Scala helmets - it sounds as if I am listening to old AM radio- thin, tinny, and poor compared to the Sena. The Sena speakers are larger and a tad thicker but much better quality. I use my phone, bluetooth connected, for Mp3's and also streaming Pandora and Jango radio. If you are used to the earbuds that just hang in your ears, the Sena's will sound much better, BUT, if you are using the ear buds that you insert deep in your ear canal, there is no helmet-mounted speakers that will equal that kind of bass.
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We used our Sena's for the first time on the bike Sunday. I stream music on the iPhone via Pandora. The intercom functioned great and Pandora sounds good as well. I am still trying to get the 765T Nuvi to give directions and play well with Pandore as well as use the iPhone for calls but I cannot seem to figure it out. I will try Pairing the iPhone to the Nuvu then the Buvi to the Sena tomorrow and see if that works. Also there were two different ways to pair the iPhone for Music/Handsfree so it will be trial and error.
I don't think you'll be able to do it. Garmin's are determined to be selfish and proprietary and will not play well with anything else. I have a Zumo 660 and as long as it's paired to the Sena, my iPhone can't be.
The Zumo WILL BT with the iPhone, so I can get voice directions out of the Zumo and have telephone functionality through the Zumo as well (with the Sena priority programming: first phone, then directions, then intercom, then music). But nothing else out of the iPhone comes through the Sena, ie: no iPod, no streaming audio, no e-books, etc.
My solution: I have paired the Sean with the iPhone and disabled the BT on the Zumo. So, no voice directions, but I have full iPhone functionality into my headsets. That means I can listen to my favorite radio stations, or my collection of mp3's, or use the phone without issue. I can still follow the visual directions on the Zumo.
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That's exactly what I have decided to do for now. I don't really care for voice directions anyway. Now I do not have to worry about too many devices fighting each other. Actually I dusted off my 2720 and got it ready for an upcoming weekend trip. I like the 765 but it's hard to break old habits.
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That's exactly what I have decided to do for now. I don't really care for voice directions anyway. Now I do not have to worry about too many devices fighting each other. Actually I dusted off my 2720 and got it ready for an upcoming weekend trip. I like the 765 but it's hard to break old habits.
I'm just the opposite when using my Garmin, I listen to the directions in my helmet and rarely look at the actual display... When needed if in direct sun a quick shielding with my hand allows me to see what's up.
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I don't know that it is Garmin that is not playing nicely- I have had the same problem pairing multiple Bluetooth devices without a Garmin involved. The basic problem seemed to be that the original standards for Bluetooth do not spell out a method for dealing with more than one device.
But I also could not pair a Zumo with a Bluetooth headset and a Bluetooth cell phone; it would work occasionally or it would work if you cold- booted everything in a very specific sequence. I spoke to both the headset mfg. and Garmin and both basically said that it (multiple devices paired at one time) was a gray area. Garmin suggested trying different versions of the Bluetooth driver in the Zumo in the hopes that one would work better than others but that did not sound like a very amusing game to me. I ended up connecting the Zumo to a cell phone, and the Zumo to a Starcom1 via cables and everything works well. There is a cable to the helmet of course but the Starcom never needs charging and never suffers from a dead battery (it uses the motorcycle's electrical system).
Brian
I don't think you'll be able to do it. Garmin's are determined to be selfish and proprietary and will not play well with anything else. I have a Zumo 660 and as long as it's paired to the Sena, my iPhone can't be.
The Zumo WILL BT with the iPhone, so I can get voice directions out of the Zumo and have telephone functionality through the Zumo as well (with the Sena priority programming: first phone, then directions, then intercom, then music). But nothing else out of the iPhone comes through the Sena, ie: no iPod, no streaming audio, no e-books, etc.
My solution: I have paired the Sean with the iPhone and disabled the BT on the Zumo. So, no voice directions, but I have full iPhone functionality into my headsets. That means I can listen to my favorite radio stations, or my collection of mp3's, or use the phone without issue. I can still follow the visual directions on the Zumo.
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Has anyone had to contact Sena for anything yet? We got the dual set and the one I installed on my wife's helmet won't start playing the music automatically after using the intercom or phone and she cannot get it to play unless you actually hit the button on the phone. That is unacceptable to us as it isn't working correctly. I sent an e-mail to Sena last Sunday (one week ago) and never heard back from them (I even left a daytime phone number). I will be calling them tomorrow to figure out what is going on as well as let them know they need to work on their customer relations. We also figured out that her Sena jog doesn't work for switching songs on the MP3 or Pandora or Slacker, which mine works fine.
BTW, we did try totally unpairing the phones with the headsets and switching phones/headsets pairing and it's the same thing.
I hope to get a good response from them tomorrow and will post up what the result is.
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Has anyone had to contact Sena for anything yet? We got the dual set and the one I installed on my wife's helmet won't start playing the music automatically after using the intercom or phone and she cannot get it to play unless you actually hit the button on the phone. That is unacceptable to us as it isn't working correctly. I sent an e-mail to Sena last Sunday (one week ago) and never heard back from them (I even left a daytime phone number). I will be calling them tomorrow to figure out what is going on as well as let them know they need to work on their customer relations. We also figured out that her Sena jog doesn't work for switching songs on the MP3 or Pandora or Slacker, which mine works fine.
BTW, we did try totally unpairing the phones with the headsets and switching phones/headsets pairing and it's the same thing.
I hope to get a good response from them tomorrow and will post up what the result is.
I am having the exact same issue. It is not every time but often enough to be a hassle. Please let us know if you receive an answer. Thanks.
Maybe this link addresses the issue we are having, it is a firmware update. Read the notes.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=3087.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=3087.0)
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The e-mail response I got (at my work e-mail Friday after I left for the day and can't see the e-mail until Monday morning) was that they have some phones that just don't like the Sena's and they have a firmware release coming out in about 2 weeks that should address the issue.
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I downloaded the Firmware update and it seems to help. I called Tech Support and they spent a while on the phone with me going through the process as I had a driver install issue. They were VERY helpful and patient in resolving the problem.
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Our firmware was the latest, but my wife's headset seems to be fine now (except she can't get the intercom fired up) but now mine is acting up.
Problem is, I can't call from work and spend any time on the phone with them. Also am not allows to hook anything up to the work computers...
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Our firmware was the latest, but my wife's headset seems to be fine now (except she can't get the intercom fired up) but now mine is acting up.
Problem is, I can't call from work and spend any time on the phone with them. Also am not allows to hook anything up to the work computers...
You should have just bought the Scala G4 team set. ;)
No problems here with our G4 set up, happy as a clam! Mama too, and she's higher maintenance then me! :thumbs:
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Our firmware was the latest, but my wife's headset seems to be fine now (except she can't get the intercom fired up) but now mine is acting up.
Problem is, I can't call from work and spend any time on the phone with them. Also am not allows to hook anything up to the work computers...
Unless I misunderstood 3.1 was just released today....http://www.senabluetooth.com/support/download_document.php (http://www.senabluetooth.com/support/download_document.php)
But when I clicked on it the date came up as July 25th. I have NO PROBLEMS when switching now. I may have bought the G4 but the inability to charge on the fly was a deal breaker. In addition the advrider guys really seemed to collectively support the Sena, and it is a 50+ page thread
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Unless I misunderstood 3.1 was just released today....http://www.senabluetooth.com/support/download_document.php (http://www.senabluetooth.com/support/download_document.php)
But when I clicked on it the date came up as July 25th. I have NO PROBLEMS when switching now. I may have bought the G4 but the inability to charge on the fly was a deal breaker. In addition the advrider guys really seemed to collectively support the Sena, and it is a 50+ page thread
Wrong!! Big misconception on that, you CAN charge them on the fly, it's just a mini-USB port on the G4 to charge them, you just have to get one that plugs into a "cigarette lighter" and plug it into the accessory port instead of a wall outlet, the charging port on the G4 is easily accessible even when mounted on the helmet... I wouldn't want to ride around by choice with it plugged in and the cord attached, but in a situation that needed it is an option.
Ok, a little off topic, but at what point will we stop referring to these as a ""cigarette lighter"... :banghead: I don't even smoke... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
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........ and she's higher maintenance then me! :thumbs:
I dunno Jay, we've seen pictures of your bike! :stirpot:
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I dunno Jay, we've seen pictures of your bike! :stirpot:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Good one bro, I deserved that! ;)
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Wrong!! Big misconception on that, you CAN charge them on the fly, it's just a mini-USB port on the G4 to charge them, you just have to get one that plugs into a "cigarette lighter" and plug it into the accessory port instead of a wall outlet, the charging port on the G4 is easily accessible even when mounted on the helmet... I wouldn't want to ride around by choice with it plugged in and the cord attached, but in a situation that needed it is an option.
Ok, a little off topic, but at what point will we stop referring to these as a ""cigarette lighter"... :banghead: I don't even smoke... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
To add to this, finding a "cigarette lighter" style charger for the G4 is not hard to find, my Blackberry car charger works just fine, you can get these at any Radio Shack or whatever, it's the same port and works like a charm... :)
Sena's got nothing on the G4 and doesn't have the built-in FM tuner which I use every morning commute... ;)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG00443-20110801-2037.jpg)
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I am sure the G4 is a great setup, I just did not see it being worth the extra 70.00. I really like the ease of controls on the Sena, especially with gloves. It was a long thought process and I am sure I would have enjoyed the Scala as well. It seems people either love the FM or hate it. I do not listen to radio often and use the iPhone stereo station App when I want that and stream it through BT. I have a Cig usb adapter I use while charging on the road, I misunderstood the charging of the G4. That is a plus. Ironically they seem to use the same Chip manufacturer.
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Bumping this thread for Martin and maybe others...
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So what is the consensus?
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My wife and I are still pleased with our Sena, although I will admit, we have not put in a ton of time together, but on my own, it's great.
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My wife and I are still pleased with our Sena, although I will admit, we have not put in a ton of time together, but on my own, it's great.
Too true...
Got the G4 set, love mine, I think my wife has a wopping 8 hours on hers in the past 6 months... :banghead:
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Too true...
Got the G4 set, love mine, I think my wife has a wopping 8 hours on hers in the past 6 months... :banghead:
Same here. But if she rode with me all the time I would probably have to get a Goldwing to keep her happy. So I guess this in one of those times when less is actually more. ........ More fun for me! ;D
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Same here. But if she rode with me all the time I would probably have to get a Goldwing to keep her happy. So I guess this in one of those times when less is actually more. ........ More fun for me! ;D
LOL
If mine rode with me all the time I would have to buy the WORST intercom ;)
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Does anyone know a good intercom app for the droid phones ...it would seem simple considering everything else they can do??
Mike
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Looks like I answered my own question-none perfected but if you bluetoothers would try out Android intercom beta and let us know-I would but I have never done bluetooth for anything yet,but if it worked on a bike-I'd bite!!
Mike
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Apparently there is another called Motolky that does not require bluetooth and also seems to work-I'll check it it out first and report back...free is good.
Mike
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Does anyone have a J&M Bluetooth unit they can comment on.
I have doing a lot of research into all of these different models and so far I can only find this one model that seems to fit my requirements.
1) no speakers. I do not want in helmet speakers. I prefer to use ' in the ear canal' speakers and J&M has a harness for this.
2)They specifically state they can pair to a Zumo 550 and an Android phone at the same time and as well as bike to bike (x8 bikes ) and will toggle automatically between them specially listening to music from the cell phone (Pandora for example) and when the Zumo gives audio directions it switches to the Zumo and then back to the music.
3) Auto tunes to the strongest FM radio signal ( I like that feature)
4) can be charged on the fly if needed. (cigarette lighter charger) They even sell a 'fat' battery with longer usage times. Having 2 batteries is a good idea too.
I just cannot locate any forums or good owner feeder back for J&M bluetooth and their website confuses me on their different models.
I just realized this post is in the C14 section. Oh well.
I also rad this on their website:
J&M’s are the only Bluetooth helmet headsets that are software upgradeable after the sale and free software upgrades are provided for the life of the headset warranty.
And they come with a 2 year warranty. Looks like I may buy this and try it out.
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Mike, Sena SMH10Bs are also firmware upgradable and offer a mounting solution for earbuds. FYI I just bought a set, upgraded the firmware online free, and am very impressed.
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To add to this, finding a "cigarette lighter" style charger for the G4 is not hard to find, my Blackberry car charger works just fine, you can get these at any Radio Shack or whatever, it's the same port and works like a charm...
FYI to find 12 volt chargers for the Sena just look in the box. AC and DC chargers included, as well as USB cables, 2 of each. 4.0 firmware includes voice prompts, better battery life and range.
I don't think either unit will disappoint, the Sena's will save you a few $$.
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Does anyone have a J&M Bluetooth unit they can comment on.
I have doing a lot of research into all of these different models and so far I can only find this one model that seems to fit my requirements.
1) no speakers. I do not want in helmet speakers. I prefer to use ' in the ear canal' speakers and J&M has a harness for this.
2)They specifically state they can pair to a Zumo 550 and an Android phone at the same time and as well as bike to bike (x8 bikes ) and will toggle automatically between them specially listening to music from the cell phone (Pandora for example) and when the Zumo gives audio directions it switches to the Zumo and then back to the music.
3) Auto tunes to the strongest FM radio signal ( I like that feature)
4) can be charged on the fly if needed. (cigarette lighter charger) They even sell a 'fat' battery with longer usage times. Having 2 batteries is a good idea too.
I just cannot locate any forums or good owner feeder back for J&M bluetooth and their website confuses me on their different models.
I just realized this post is in the C14 section. Oh well.
I also rad this on their website:
J&M’s are the only Bluetooth helmet headsets that are software upgradeable after the sale and free software upgrades are provided for the life of the headset warranty.
And they come with a 2 year warranty. Looks like I may buy this and try it out.
I've had the J&M Nolan N-103 setup for over a year now. I dont have a gps yet, but use it with my Droid X pretty much daily. Never had any issues pairing. The sound quality is outstanding, as is the volume. I have ridden back and forth to work (15 minutes each way) for three weeks without recharging. Spent one weekend with two 9 hour days without recharging. Customer service is top notch. What else? The pin lock anti-fog shield on the Nolan is SUPERB!! You can heavy breath on it in the dead of winter and it simply will not fog.
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Thanks Reese. I went ahead and ordered one for my full face Arai and the optional harness to use my own 'in the ear canal' headset. Cant wait to test it out. Starcomm1 also makes a Bluetooth adapter for their integrated unit so I can use my CB radio as well with this J&M. Now to find someone to ride with that has any form of bike to bike comm system. Seems very few to none of the C10 and C14 riders I ride with have any.
The Nolan integrated unit is supposed to be the same internals. Have you upgraded yours to the latest version of firmware?
New V.14 just released a few weeks ago.
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Thanks Reese. I went ahead and ordered one for my full face Arai and the optional harness to use my own 'in the ear canal' headset. Cant wait to test it out. Starcomm1 also makes a Bluetooth adapter for their integrated unit so I can use my CB radio as well with this J&M. Now to find someone to ride with that has any form of bike to bike comm system. Seems very few to none of the C10 and C14 riders I ride with have any.
The Nolan integrated unit is supposed to be the same internals. Have you upgraded yours to the latest version of firmware?
New V.14 just released a few weeks ago.
Honesty I dont even know HOW to upgrade the firmware! Guess I'll call John at J&M and ask. Probably have to send it back to them? Also, the J&M will ONLY pair with another J&M product for comms. Just asked them that by email the other day.
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Scala rider G4 power set is the way to go. Great bluetooth pairing to an iPhone, very easy to use. The only issue I've had with one was the weather covering on the buttons started to pull off, but a little super glue solved that fast.
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Don't know if it's been discussed yet, but another element to consider for some people ( i.e: me) is that a communications system have coupling capability with a CB radio. I have the Sena SMH10 which, as I see others have mentioned, works very well for BT connectivity to my Zumo and iPhone. Then they came out with the SR10, which acts as a BT hub for all the communications assessories, including the CB. So it prioritizes and senses whichever signal is coming in and relays that to the helmet speakers. Pretty cool!
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Thanks Reese. I went ahead and ordered one for my full face Arai and the optional harness to use my own 'in the ear canal' headset. Cant wait to test it out. Starcomm1 also makes a Bluetooth adapter for their integrated unit so I can use my CB radio as well with this J&M. Now to find someone to ride with that has any form of bike to bike comm system. Seems very few to none of the C10 and C14 riders I ride with have any.
The Nolan integrated unit is supposed to be the same internals. Have you upgraded yours to the latest version of firmware?
New V.14 just released a few weeks ago.
Talked to John at J&M, and I have the latest already.