Digital display issues!

[MAN OF BLUES]

Yeah, I agree, and the dealer prolly has no clue... it would be stored in the ECU as the gage cluter is just a readout....not a memory storage unit..

[ZXShan, 2015 C14 ABS]

I thought that it was a bit odd that they told me the mileage would start at zero with the new display but the guy seems to think that is how it is. I guess I will find out soon.

[VirginiaJim]

Yeah, that's what happens when the cluster is removed unfortunately.

[MAN OF BLUES]

Yeah, that's what happens when the cluster is removed unfortunately.

again, I disagree.... the gage cluster does not store info...as far as i can tell..
tests of function pertaining to odometer, fuel level, miles, trip meter, and speedo, all require installing an adapter (Canbus) to test function of the Display, and the display only...
refer to FSM section 16
specifically section 16-80 were it specifies the test parameters, and also which require input from ECU...
tests #11 and above, require the cluster to be plugged in, and adapter used...
page 16-85 outlines the can adapter install
page 16-91 outlines speedo, odo, and trip meters...


you could disconnect the gage cluster, and also get data on fuel usage, odo, and trip, directly with the KDS3...

there are notes in the testing of those functions in the "normal" manner, that the odo, and related functions Cannot be manually reset to zero during those tests...

just sharing...


Now, I would actually, if it were MY bike, unplug all the connections from the ECU, and re plug them all back in... and see what happens... a bad or marginal connection in the CAN circuits would impact the functions..
But with what his display is showing, Im thinking there is a bad pwb in that cluster, with either a short. or moisture. because its trying to invoke multiple functions simultaneously on the screen.

[Conniesaki]

That's interesting. I've seen used ECU's for sale before, but never a mention of its mileage.

Then again, if mileage was stored in the gauge cluster, you'd think used clusters would mention mileage.

That's it ... I've decided it's actually stored in the cloud.

[maxtog]

That's interesting. I've seen used ECU's for sale before, but never a mention of its mileage.

Then again, if mileage was stored in the gauge cluster, you'd think used clusters would mention mileage.

Very good point.

[Hooligan]

That's it ... I've decided it's actually stored in the cloud.

 

[VirginiaJim]

Right.   Well, I guess we'll find out when it gets replaced on the Odo function going to 0.  I'm looking at the manual but all it says is that the integrated value of the odometer cannot be reset.  Thiis is in the gauge section.  Why would they put that warning in for replacing the screen if the mileage was stored in the ECU?  There are electronics in that head unit.  Also, there's nothing in the ECU section that warns about the Odo function.  I'm still thinking it's stored in the head unit.

[Conrad]

again, I disagree.... the gage cluster does not store info...as far as i can tell..
tests of function pertaining to odometer, fuel level, miles, trip meter, and speedo, all require installing an adapter (Canbus) to test function of the Display, and the display only...
refer to FSM section 16
specifically section 16-80 were it specifies the test parameters, and also which require input from ECU...
tests #11 and above, require the cluster to be plugged in, and adapter used...
page 16-85 outlines the can adapter install
page 16-91 outlines speedo, odo, and trip meters...


you could disconnect the gage cluster, and also get data on fuel usage, odo, and trip, directly with the KDS3...

there are notes in the testing of those functions in the "normal" manner, that the odo, and related functions Cannot be manually reset to zero during those tests...

just sharing...


Now, I would actually, if it were MY bike, unplug all the connections from the ECU, and re plug them all back in... and see what happens... a bad or marginal connection in the CAN circuits would impact the functions..
But with what his display is showing, Im thinking there is a bad pwb in that cluster, with either a short. or moisture. because its trying to invoke multiple functions simultaneously on the screen.

We've had only a few members (that I can remember) who have had to have their gauge clusters replaced for one reason or the other (as far as I recall it was most always for melted needles) and the clusters have always started out with zero mileage.

[sas mayhem]

  My 09 does the exact same thing for over 3 yrs. It ONLY happens when sitting in the hot summer sun and shinning  directly on the cluster.
After I ride it a bit (less the 3 miles) it clears itself up (probably get cooled from the movement of the air.)
I now just lay my riding gloves over the cluster, no issues when covered.

Cheers
Ron

[chap]

again, I disagree.... the gage cluster does not store info...as far as i can tell..
tests of function pertaining to odometer, fuel level, miles, trip meter, and speedo, all require installing an adapter (Canbus) to test function of the Display, and the display only...
refer to FSM section 16
specifically section 16-80 were it specifies the test parameters, and also which require input from ECU...
tests #11 and above, require the cluster to be plugged in, and adapter used...
page 16-85 outlines the can adapter install
page 16-91 outlines speedo, odo, and trip meters...

just sharing...


Now, I would actually, if it were MY bike, unplug all the connections from the ECU, and re plug them all back in... and see what happens... a bad or marginal connection in the CAN circuits would impact the functions..
But with what his display is showing, Im thinking there is a bad pwb in that cluster, with either a short. or moisture. because its trying to invoke multiple functions simultaneously on the screen.

The cluster is where the ODO is stored. I have had my cluster replaced. It started back at Zero. I reinstalled the original for pics and its mileage popped up. The reason for my change was to change from MPH to KPH. So both clusters are working properly. This is on a 2010 ABS US Market bike.

[Conrad]

  My 09 does the exact same thing for over 3 yrs. It ONLY happens when sitting in the hot summer sun and shinning  directly on the cluster.
After I ride it a bit (less the 3 miles) it clears itself up (probably get cooled from the movement of the air.)
I now just lay my riding gloves over the cluster, no issues when covered.

Cheers
Ron

Did you look at the pics in post 1. This is not the sun fading issue.

[sas mayhem]

Did you look at the pics in post 1. This is not the sun fading issue.

I sure did Conrad, I never mentioned "fading"
  I get some of my digits missing and just not legible. As I noted it happens whenever I leave it in direct sunlight.  Ambit temp are not really a factor to a point. In the winter it happens too, but less that the summer. 
Cheers
Ron

[Conrad]

I sure did Conrad,
  I get some of my digits missing and just not legible. As I noted it happens whenever I leave it in direct sunlight. Ay high ambit temps. 
Cheers
Ron

My display fades when the sun shines on it for too long but it's the entire display, not just some of the digits.

[sas mayhem]

I just went out to remove the gloves over the display. And took a pic.
When I go back this afternoon, my digits will be jumbled up.
I'll take before and after picture,

Cheers
Ron

[PlaynInPeoria]

I see a lot of for sale pics of bikes, just 1 picture from a poor angle, with poor lighting. Not a make, a model, a year, miles, mod list, maintenance etc.  Always very young guys.  It's kind of a pet peeve of mine. OK, fine, it totally pisses me off.

Unrelated to the OP, sorry for the hicjack, move along, nothing to see here.

[VirginiaJim]

My display fades when the sun shines on it for too long but it's the entire display, not just some of the digits.

You sure it isn't your eyes, ol feller?

[Conrad]

You sure it isn't your eyes, ol feller?

It's hard to tell sometimes...

[MAN OF BLUES]

The cluster is where the ODO is stored. I have had my cluster replaced. It started back at Zero. I reinstalled the original for pics and its mileage popped up. The reason for my change was to change from MPH to KPH. So both clusters are working properly. This is on a 2010 ABS US Market bike.

Well, then I am wrong....
I will ask one thing tho, when you installed the new unit, and it registered zero, what occured when you rode it a few miles? Did it correct itself to show the additional miles? 
Just curious.  Id also be curious to plug in a KDS3 to the bike after say, 10 miles on the new gages, and see what was stored in the data file onboard...

[maxtog]

That would be really annoying to not have the correct mileage.  I suppose it isn't the end of the world though... and the alternative (an incorrectly working display) is much worse.