Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: mike on June 27, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
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Sorry if this is a repost, i saw this on another forum & thought i'd share. If this passes for quality control @ michelin it's not a good sign.
http://www.fz6-forum.com/forum/fz6-general-discussion/35444-michelin-pilot-road-3-here-8.html (http://www.fz6-forum.com/forum/fz6-general-discussion/35444-michelin-pilot-road-3-here-8.html)
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Guess I don't have it so bad......WOW! :o
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:yikes:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5198/5793839687_ff7dfe54d2_z.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5794397648_2e568e6844_z.jpg)
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Every manufacturer has a tire that fails. My PR3's and 1,000,000 others have been great.
And if you read it and saw the internet pics does that show you what the guy ran over to shred that tire!??? No, its the internet it just has to be true "I saw it in a forum" (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
It may have been them squiddish pegs destroyed the tire (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
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Every manufacturer has a tire that fails. My PR3's and 1,000,000 others have been great.
And if you read it and saw the internet pics does that show you what the guy ran over to shred that tire!??? No, its the internet it just has to be true "I saw it in a forum" (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
It may have been them squiddish pegs destroyed the tire (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Are you saying that not everything on the internet is true???? :o ;)
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He already got 10,000 miles out of em, so he was due for a new set anyway. ;D
Seriously though, that looks like a serious problem, hopefully this was an isolated incident.
Conrad, are you Sofa King on the FZ6 forum?
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He had 10,000 miles on the bike. He said he was running 33psi fr / 38 psi r. in my opinion that's a little low for commuting on the street. either way a tire should not delaminate like that.. blisters on a worn tire are one thing but those are chunks.
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Every manufacturer has a tire that fails. My PR3's and 1,000,000 others have been great.
And if you read it and saw the internet pics does that show you what the guy ran over to shred that tire!??? No, its the internet it just has to be true "I saw it in a forum" (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
It may have been them squiddish pegs destroyed the tire (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
i know you drank the michelin kool-aid and i just wonder what would you say if these were dunlops or metzlers....
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Probably the same thing I would think. However, in this case I agree with him. Until we hear of it happening on a C14 I'm going to hold off on the 'sky is falling' bit. As these tires are new, though, I think I will keep an eye on them but I'm not going to pan them. Quite the opposite, I just did a 1500 mile trip on them and am quite impressed on how well they did at speed, the twisties, and in wet.
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Yikes! :o
I'll tune into this one for sure, +1 on hoping it's an isolated case... :popcorn:
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Every manufacturer has a tire that fails. My PR3's and 1,000,000 others have been great.
You've gone through 1,000,001 sets of tires. I guess you do ride a lot. Of course I also see your on your defend Michelin at all costs crusade again! :o :rotflmao:
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Every manufacturer has a tire that fails. My PR3's and 1,000,000 others have been great.
And if you read it and saw the internet pics does that show you what the guy ran over to shred that tire!??? No, its the internet it just has to be true "I saw it in a forum" (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
It may have been them squiddish pegs destroyed the tire (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Did you read on in that post to see that the front tire shredded as well and caused him to crash? Plus, I can't see hitting debris as causing that. Look at the failure points. They are almost exactly the same spot on both side of the tire.
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Did you read on in that post to see that the front tire shredded as well and caused him to crash? Plus, I can't see hitting debris as causing that. Look at the failure points. They are almost exactly the same spot on both side of the tire.
Woodpeckers?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/confused1.gif)
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:yikes:
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Hey, that tire makes a car tire on a motorcycle start to look like a good idea, eh Conrad?
::)
Brian
:yikes:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5198/5793839687_ff7dfe54d2_z.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5794397648_2e568e6844_z.jpg)
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Hey, that tire makes a car tire on a motorcycle start to look like a good idea, eh Conrad?
::)
Brian
Or how about one made of wood?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif) ;)
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Maybe but I think you'd have to be careful to pick a very good wood to make a motorcycle tire. A fine, tough and beautiful wood.... perhaps something like Amboyna Burl from Southeast Asia?
Brian
Or how about one made of wood?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif) ;)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/wait.gif)
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Maybe but I think you'd have to be careful to pick a very good wood to make a motorcycle tire. A fine, tough and beautiful wood.... perhaps something like Amboyna Burl from Southeast Asia?
Brian
:rotflmao:
I knew I could count on you Brian!! :thumbs:
Would that set of tires by chance come with a matching bowl?? ;D
So are you back home now or still in the PNW?
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Maybe but I think you'd have to be careful to pick a very good wood to make a motorcycle tire. A fine, tough and beautiful wood.... perhaps something like Amboyna Burl from Southeast Asia?
Brian
Somebody call my name?
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Somebody call my name?
I love this place, this one never gets old!! :chugbeer: :chugbeer:
:grouphug:
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Yeah, and I recognized the set-up for the joke as soon as I read it. Just trying to do my part..... ;)
Offtopic: (as if wooden tires are 'On topic' anyway)
Back in RI- got in Sat. morning about 2:30 AM. Just over 7K miles for the trip and just now starting to feel normal again.
SpotWalla has the trail for the trip home here: spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=30444dfbaf665dece Set the data chain to go back two weeks or more to get the whole trip on one page.
Brian
:rotflmao:
I knew I could count on you Brian!! :thumbs:
Would that set of tires by chance come with a matching bowl?? ;D
So are you back home now or still in the PNW?
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Few things I noticed from the pics.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5794397648_2e568e6844_z.jpg)
1. Odometer reads 009999 as the total miles on the bike. Not sure what kind of tire comes stock on the FZ6, but I doubt it came with the PR3's or that he had them installed to replace the OEM tires the day he took delivery of the bike. As such, the tires likely have a good bit less than 10k on them.
2. The tread on the rear definitely doesn't look like it has 10k on it.
3. Look closely at the center sipe of the tread - between the chunks it's almost worn through and gone, but if you look higher on the tire (just below the shadow) it appears to have plenty of depth left. Leads me to believe that section of the tire that chunked wasn't cured properly which is the likely cause of the failure.
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Offtopic: (as if wooden tires are 'On topic' anyway)
Back in RI- got in Sat. morning about 2:30 AM. Just over 7K miles for the trip and just now starting to feel normal again.
Welcome home brother, that was one hell of a trek, not sure I could have done it... :-\
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Few things I noticed from the pics.
1. Odometer reads 009999 as the total miles on the bike. Not sure what kind of tire comes stock on the FZ6, but I doubt it came with the PR3's or that he had them installed to replace the OEM tires the day he took delivery of the bike. As such, the tires likely have a good bit less than 10k on them.
Does the FZ6 have dual tripometers? He might use one of them to keep track of mileage on his tires. Just playing devil's advocate.
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Another factual tire thread on the internet that delivers (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Few things I noticed from the pics.
1. Odometer reads 009999 as the total miles on the bike. Not sure what kind of tire comes stock on the FZ6, but I doubt it came with the PR3's or that he had them installed to replace the OEM tires the day he took delivery of the bike. As such, the tires likely have a good bit less than 10k on them.
2. The tread on the rear definitely doesn't look like it has 10k on it.
3. Look closely at the center sipe of the tread - between the chunks it's almost worn through and gone, but if you look higher on the tire (just below the shadow) it appears to have plenty of depth left. Leads me to believe that section of the tire that chunked wasn't cured properly which is the likely cause of the failure.
Interesting situation...I don't know why this guy would lie and say he had almost 10k on these tires, if he was fishing for a lawsuit he could have said they only had a few thousand, 10k is lot. My last bike was an FZ6 though and even the el crapo stock tires barely showed any wear at 8k. Its a real light bike without any torque. It does look like he got a bad batch, but scary it was both the front and rear, not just 1 bad one. He mentioned it was a very hot day so I wonder if the tire deformed all at once or if he just didn't pay close attention. Also, I believe the recommended rear pressure is 36-42 and he said he ran exactly 36, so if he was a big guy it may have been a bit low + very hot road = bad.
I'll still probably get a PR3 rear to match my front when its time. I'll just pay closer attention.
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top (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Maybe he slid the tire? In the area of those gouges look thiner..........blanton
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Does the FZ6 have dual tripometers? He might use one of them to keep track of mileage on his tires. Just playing devil's advocate.
That is what I was thinking, but the indicator has two zero's in front of it and trip meters don't go that high. Also there is a trip meter on the right.
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Don't doubt or question this info, its on the 'net, it HAS to be true (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Maybe he was running from the cops and they threw out stop strips......
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Maybe he was running from the cops and they threw out stop strips......
Hmmm... That's actually a pretty good theory!
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Don't doubt or question this info, its on the 'net, it HAS to be true (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Then I guess, we have to question your success with Kipass and Michelin! ;D
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Then I guess, we have to question your success with Kipass and Michelin! ;D
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Conrad, are you Sofa King on the FZ6 forum?
Not I, why do you ask?
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Hey, that tire makes a car tire on a motorcycle start to look like a good idea, eh Conrad?
::)
Brian
Um, no. ???
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Or how about one made of wood?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif) ;)
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Yeah baby!
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I just bought a pair last week - both made in Thailand. :( The front PR2s (still on bike) made in Spain and rear Thailand. Wan't it the Thai PR2s that had some issue last year?
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At least one member had an issue with the ones made in Thailand...
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At least one member had an issue with the ones made in Thailand...
Wasn't that TJ Hess? I just checked and he's no longer a member here, unless he's using a new name.
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Yep
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Cool, everyone bitching about loss of the center glovebox have a new place to stuff their stuff. ;D
:yikes:
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Not I, why do you ask?
I read the reply by Sofa King and I thought I remembered that you were a lawyer. My mistake.
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I was cruising down the road today behind a sport tourer and his Michelin tires started disintegrating and shooting hot rubber chunks at me (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconhammer.gif)
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I was cruising down the road today behind a sport tourer and his Michelin tires started disintegrating and shooting hot rubber chunks at me (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconhammer.gif)
Was it like this? :hitfan:
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I read the reply by Sofa King and I thought I remembered that you were a lawyer. My mistake.
No problem Jeremy. If I had to guess I'd say that the Sofa King on the FZ6 forum is Sofa King from this forum.
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No problem Jeremy. If I had to guess I'd say that the Sofa King on the FZ6 forum is Sofa King from this forum.
Yeah, was me.
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Could have been caused by a number of things. Debris, improper inflation, faulty manufacturing process, etc. etc. etc.
My friend has about 7K on his pr3s and they have been performing very well for him. They feather out quite a bit, probably due to the amount of tread cuts. But he says he hasn't had any handling or very unusual wear issues.
If the posting was correct and he didn't hit some debris, I would guess that it was a manufacturing issue. Thousands and thousands of these tires have probably been sold and worn through already so I would have no reservations about putting them on my bike.
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Yeah, was me.
I remembered your user name from the previous forum, but hadn't seen any posts from you over here yet. My wife keeps bugging me about my memory, maybe I should get checked out. ;)
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I remembered your user name from the previous forum, but hadn't seen any posts from you over here yet. My wife keeps bugging me about my memory, maybe I should get checked out. ;)
That's strange, usually the stuff my wife bugs me about is the only stuff I forget about.
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Could have been caused by a number of things. Debris, improper inflation, faulty manufacturing process, etc. etc. etc.
My friend has about 7K on his pr3s and they have been performing very well for him. They feather out quite a bit, probably due to the amount of tread cuts. But he says he hasn't had any handling or very unusual wear issues.
If the posting was correct and he didn't hit some debris, I would guess that it was a manufacturing issue. Thousands and thousands of these tires have probably been sold and worn through already so I would have no reservations about putting them on my bike.
He ran over something.
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Tire got hot from tire pressure being too low, too much weight, or both. Marks are consistant.
But.... it has to be a Michelin problem because I read it on the internet (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)