Kawasaki Concours Forum
Riding => It's not a Concours - other Bikes => Topic started by: ninjawarrior1400 on October 10, 2011, 08:34:48 AM
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Kawasaki is listening to us finally........
New info on the 2012R similar upgrades came from our C-14:
1441 cc engine all upgraded internally and smaller size externally so future engines can fit inside future C-14's too!
KTRC Traction control with 3 modes of performance driving.....drivers choice! Straight from our C-14 Sport Tourer!
Instrument cluster straight from C-14 including fuel range estimation, fewer wires are used because of the computer technology too.
Slipper Clutch, improved
Wheels 3.3 pounds lighter
More open less restrictive shorter exhausts
Better brake pads, 4 piston brake calipers, has separate brake pads for each piston!
Better fit and finish of plastic
Ported heads in the engine for more flow and power. Maybe an all aluminum head?!
Hi and Lo Maps, Full Power Mode, Medium Power Mode, and Eco for Wet conditions ala C-14!
Idle speed controller for starting up and warming up engine
Aluminum Frame
584.3 pounds
$14,699.00
These are just some basic upgrades but the entire bike has been revised to be more manageable, powerful, easier to handle and compete with Suzuki.
Stock times about 9.71@ 147.90
Black, Blue, Green beginning colors.
See pics attached.
Ninja
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I want one!
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Those look like the C14 potato launchers too!
Add electric windshield and saddle bags, and it would be a C14.
Should we start a pool as to how close the 2013 C14 will be to this bike?
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All we need now is to get this engine in our C-14's and we will have the very ultimate Sport Touring bike in the world....
Just add: Cruise control
Self- Cancelling turn signals
Get rid of that damn linked braking!
Ninja
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Why does it say that instrument cluster is straight from the C14 when it looks nothing like it?
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The panel is different in appearance but has the some of the same, and more information as the C-14 has now on the new ZX-14R.
So this new panel on the ZX-14R was transposed after being tested for 4 years, from our C-14 after being successful since 2008, and now being used on the top flight bike to give the rider more info and capabilities. Early test beds are introduced and if successful always improved upon by adding more info or more capabilities....and as more computers are utilized...less and less wires will be on our motorcycles in years to come....
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I didn't realize a Zx14 post was in the C14 forum.
i'm not purchasing one.
Thanks for all the hype, Kawi.
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The panel is different in appearance but has the same information as the C-14 has now on the new ZX-14R.
So this new panel on the ZX-14R was transposed from our C-14 after being successful since 2008, and now being used on the top flight bike to give the rider more info and capabilities.
Actually is has more information now then our C14 displays do. So it doesn't look like or function the same.
Also 210 Crank Horsepower. yeah baby.
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The C-14 becomes the rolling test bed for the 14R and vice versa. Better brakes, KTRC, adjustable maps, more rigid suspension...to name a few.
As this engine becomes successful in the 14R, we will get it in our C-14 in the near future, and that is what this is all about...more capabilities in an already fantastic Sport Touring bike.
Kawasaki appears to be listening.... and in a depressed economy, has to continue to sell more bikes and come out with enhancements that attract new customers ....or go out of business. This is all to our benefits.......and of course,.... the costs will be greater.
But who cares..... when you have almost 200HP between your legs with an adjustable windshied, saddlebags, and an upright riding position with quick adjustable suspension!!
Nuff said....
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Bit of a tempest in a teapot. What do y'all think is the real reason people buy this bike?
Fretka
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I can't wait for the supercharged version in a couple years. Kawasaki applied for 3 patents for a new motorcycle supercharger this year. Also oil jets under the piston in the new ZX-14R, they normally do this on forced induction engines to keep the pistons cool. This sounds like a test engine for the supercharged version......
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fretka.....the obvious answer is that people want to go slower and safer......that is the REAL reason people buy it.....
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I like the bike, and my words are not hollow. I have been seriously considering a ZX-14 as a third bike. When I found out that a new and improved version was coming along I quit considering buying one of the current versions (which are heavily discounted) to wait to see the new one.
Now that I've seen it I have mixed emotions. It does have some meaningful improvements, but I'm also disappointed in what it does not have. No tire pressure monitoring which I think should be a must on any new bike today, and I'm not sure if the reduced power mode acts like the economy mode or not. The nice thing about economy mode is that when you are just slogging on open roads you can extend your range quite a bit (this one is not a deal breaker though).
The extra power is nice, but the current bike is really as powerful as I need, and getting it up near the '12's level is pretty easy and cheap anyway.
I am curious about the new seat - it looks like one of the better OEM seats from what I can see. I'm wondering if it will fit the current ZX and/or the Concours. I'm guessing the mounts have not changed.
The slipper clutch is nice, but again I could live without it.
ABS is good. The information I've seen is sketchy - I assume it is an option in the U.S., but I have not seen a price yet. (edit - just looked at the web-site. It does not show ABS at all for the U.S. WTF is up with that!!!!).
Traction control. Probably nice to have, but not a deal breaker for me either.
Bottom line is this.....I love to have the latest stuff, so if I do decide on a ZX it will likely be the new one. But I think for most folks saving $3-4k makes the 2011 still a damn good bike.
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I wasn't impressed with the launch. Sure it has some nice goodies, but not really worth all the hoopla they made about it, imo. I'll be keeping my connie, as it is the better value for the kind of riding I do.
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I'd be interested in a re-flash of the ECU on the Connie to get some of the improvements to the Traction Control and ABS. The power mapping (3 modes) would be good to. I'm not looking for more power (she has plenty for me); but I'd like the flexibility those settings on the ZX-14R could give me.
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My greatest disappointment with this new 14R is they failed to include the tire pressure indicator in the instrument panel as we have on the C-14. I leave my instrument panel on the tire pressure panel full-time as I feel it is the most important issue to observe while riding this performance machine.
So, Kawasaki dropped the ball on this one point big time! Can't believe they wouldn't have included it!
Ninja
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Kawi had already added 15 lbs to the new ZX-14 so I guess the extra 8 ounces or so to add TPMS would have put them over the top.
Just imagine how much the dual bazooka setup weighs. :o
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Here is a pic of the 1441 cc motor upgrade...look how close those pistons are to each other....not much room for error here with a head gasket going bad...
Can always add a 4-2-1 exhaust and get those heavy stock pipes off the bike and save the 15 pounds in added weight and still get the HP built into the newer engine.
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Why would anyone want this engine in a sport touring bike, that is probably going to get horrible gas mileage and decreased longevity.......kinda defeats the whole purpose to me? :o Some of you guys with your total obsession with HP and torque just amazes me, do you honestly realize how powerful the C14 is compared to bikes of just 5 to 7 years ago? Who would have ever dreamed that bikes would be making the power they do now, and how many of us can even use 1/4 of what these bikes are already capable of? Seems a small penis syndrome is occuring in the country at a rapid pace, the C14 needs no more power I would be 100% satisfied if Kawa just installed factory cruise to the current platform. This is already the best sport touring bike available for the money, with a few more practical factory options it would be almost untouchable. Practical bikes don't sell well here in the USA, the rest of the world is either smarter or has bigger cocks. ;) Just my opinion, y'all gotta make yourself happy I reckon........excess is an American tradition.
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Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of the most horsepower you can squeeze between your legs.
Isn't that what our forefathers meant when they drafted that document a couple hundred years ago, Poke?
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Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of the most horsepower you can squeeze between your legs.
Isn't that what our forefathers meant when they drafted that document a couple hundred years ago, Poke?
Like I said.....that is the American way! ;) Im in the camp of if you want a balls out kick ass track bike or drag bike, get one for that purpose. Keep the sport-touring bikes for what they are, the C14 is already more sport than many bikes out there.
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When the military comes out with a new fighter jet...it is never a smaller motor or smaller payload...it is always a larger engine, faster plane, has a greater fighting payload to a better faster more effecient job than planes before it's development.
Marketing is always advancing...never retreating....the Iphone 5 is under development, the Iphone 4S comes out this Friday....200 new features on it in the last year since the last one....NOT 200 fewer features....everyone wants more performance...never less....
So, if you are happy with your bike keep it forever....you are correct it has lots of power.....but I would rather carry a .45 automatic pistol to a gunfight than a .22 revolver, even if I knew the .22 would do the job....bigger is always better......
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When the military comes out with a new fighter jet...it is never a smaller motor or smaller payload...it is always a larger engine, faster plane, has a greater fighting payload to a better faster more effecient job than planes before it's development.
Marketing is always advancing...never retreating....the Iphone 5 is under development, the Iphone 4S comes out this Friday....200 new features on it in the last year since the last one....NOT 200 fewer features....everyone wants more performance...never less....
So, if you are happy with your bike keep it forever....you are correct it has lots of power.....but I would rather carry a .45 automatic pistol to a gunfight than a .22 revolver, even if I knew the .22 would do the job....bigger is always better......
Like I said.....it is the American way, nothing quite like excess. And I don't agree with bigger is always better, especially when pertaining to the majority of motorcycles and guns out there. It is "all" in how you use it and become proficient "guns and motorcycles", and in both cases there is always a better choice for each given situation. Nobody ever seems to be happy or content with anything, that can for sure be both good and bad. Call me a practical kind of guy I reckon, maybe I am more oldschool even for my younger age "40".
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I don't understand how you can't be a fan of the new ZX-14R? The original '06 ZX-14 is the bike that gave birth to all of our beloved C-14's. Whether you want one or not you should be happy that mother KAW is listening to its customers, and updating their bikes. Yeah I dont need a 200HP Concours, but it's nice to see the new technology roll out, and maybe have the '14, or '15 Concours based off the new ZX-14R. If company's didn't improve their products, then they would go out of business. Me personally, I think the new ZX-14R is pretty bad ass! Am i gonna run out and buy one, prob not, but you better believe I'd love to take one for a spin ;D ;D
Here are some more pics...
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Like I said.....it is the American way, nothing quite like excess. And I don't agree with bigger is always better, especially when pertaining to the majority of motorcycles and guns out there. It is "all" in how you use it and become proficient "guns and motorcycles", and in both cases there is always a better choice for each given situation. Nobody ever seems to be happy or content with anything, that can for sure be both good and bad. Call me a practical kind of guy I reckon, maybe I am more oldschool even for my younger age "40".
Pokey: I like the new ZX14R, but even better like the idea that my turboed C14 is gonna kick the ass of the ZX14R (fastest production bike on the planet) and still have good street manners and tow my camping trailer, when I want it to.
On the other hand, I got rid of my Glock 19 with 30 round clip and now have a simple/stealthy S&W 38 special P snub nosed revolver w/laser sight. Lew
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Why would anyone want this engine in a sport touring bike, that is probably going to get horrible gas mileage and decreased longevity.......kinda defeats the whole purpose to me? :o Some of you guys with your total obsession with HP and torque just amazes me, do you honestly realize how powerful the C14 is compared to bikes of just 5 to 7 years ago? Who would have ever dreamed that bikes would be making the power they do now, and how many of us can even use 1/4 of what these bikes are already capable of? Seems a small penis syndrome is occuring in the country at a rapid pace, the C14 needs no more power I would be 100% satisfied if Kawa just installed factory cruise to the current platform. This is already the best sport touring bike available for the money, with a few more practical factory options it would be almost untouchable. Practical bikes don't sell well here in the USA, the rest of the world is either smarter or has bigger cocks. ;) Just my opinion, y'all gotta make yourself happy I reckon........excess is an American tradition.
Pretty strong sentiments.............you think you got me all figured out, can sum up all of the work and knowledge that was gained and expended by those of us who have ventured in this direction by summarily announcing to one and all that I/we have a small penis.
How do you manage living in such an intolerant, prejudiced and completely misguided way?
Your intolerance and mockery of different ways of thought and life-styles will come at a high price someday.
An old Arabic proverb: Makes your words sweet as you may have to eat them one day.
Fretka
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Motorcycle Daily reviews here
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/12/2012-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r-md-ride-review-part-1-with-dyno-charts-and-video/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/12/2012-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r-md-ride-review-part-1-with-dyno-charts-and-video/)
and here
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/12/2012-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r-md-ride-review-part-2-with-new-video/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/12/2012-kawasaki-ninja-zx-14r-md-ride-review-part-2-with-new-video/)
While I would like one, I don't need one.