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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: tjhess74 on January 08, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
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Fellow Coggers, I don't spend too much time on this forum (no reason in particular), but some of you should remember me from years past. I received my ECU with Steve’s Flash w/decel on Wednesday and now have a couple days of riding/commuting with it. These are my thoughts and hopefully it helps you to decide if you're on the fence…
BLUF:
A simple and amazing way to rid yourself of the annoying nuances of the C14. The flash turns a diamond in the rough into a true ‘Gentlemen’s Riding Machine’. It is smooth yet strong, refined yet eager to give you everything it has. There is no easier or cost effective way to transform your bike. And suddenly, third gear is actually useful around town and top gear roll-ons work! The ‘Decel’ option to me matches that of the factory decel, but it less abrupt due to smoother throttle responses. Do not dismiss this mod simply because you do not like to go fast. It is so much more than that!
DETAILS:
About me and my riding style:
I am a very conservative rider, with most of it consisting of city/interstate commuting (including plenty of rush hour traffic). My bike has taken me around the U.S. and enjoys trips to the mountains. It primarily lives below the 4,000 RPM range, though. Every once and a blue moon, I’ll feel giddy and run her up to redline. Otherwise, I’m not very picky about the technical aspects of my machines. All I ask is that they do what they are supposed to do; get me from point A to point B, reliably. With that said, I was satisfied with my pre-flash C14, which I purchased new in ’08 after having traded in my C10. Up to that point, I was pretty happy with the C10 as well. The C14 proved to be the fastest and most technical bike I have ever owned, but as with any vehicle, there are things I love and things I would change. The things I didn’t care for about the C14 I assumed I would always have to live with. Boy, was I wrong! I tinkered with the idea of pulling the secondary flies and getting a PCV, but I just couldn’t chance damaging the engine or voiding the warranty with a mechanical alteration.
Things I didn’t like about the pre-flash C14 performance:
-The off-idle hesitation drove me nuts! It made low speed maneuvering annoying and dangerous. More than once, I would be in a slow, full lock turn and hit that stumble which would nearly cause me to drop the bike.
-Low RPM range performance. The engine would shake and shudder in protest with even the slightest input below 3500 RPM’s. As most of us know, the bike needs a lot of downshifting when in the low range.
-’Snatchy’ on/off throttle. Although I adjusted to it, it was still quite annoying.
-Upper RPM range. While I rarely used it, I still enjoyed an occasional tug on the shoulder sockets as I held on tightly. However, I always knew there was more power hiding in there just waiting to be unleashed. It’s too closely related to the ZX14 to not have more in store.
-Fuel economy. Ok, I didn’t exactly have a problem with it. I consistently get 39-43 MPG’s, which is fine.
Starting C14 post-flash and quick ride:
I did not disconnect my battery for removing/installing the ECU. Upon starting it, she fired right up and slowly climbed to 2,000 RPM. The engine maintained that speed for about 30 seconds, right about the time the first bar on the temp gauge illuminated. After that, it settled down to normal idle and I went for a quick ride around the neighborhood. At first, I’ll admit I was a little under whelmed. I could tell there was an improvement in shifting smoothness and throttle abruptness, but it hadn’t really sunk in yet on such a short ride. It is when you spend some time on this bike under your usual riding circumstances where it really starts to hit you!
First couple of commutes:
I experienced the same 2k RPM cold idle, which Steve says is normal. I always wait to ride until the first bar on the temp gauge lights up, so it just gets there a bit quicker now. The off idle stumble never reared its ugly head! IT'S GONE FOREVER! The shifting was still buttery smooth…I was not dreaming! In-town stop and go riding is so much more tolerable now. The smoothness of the shifting, the gentle on-off throttle, and the improved low-end grunt/traffic/low speed handling is so much easier. On the way home one day, I ventured off of the beaten path and found a good open area to test the upper RPM range. HOLY CRAP! I did not expect the pull that I experienced! As I suspected, there was more power hidden in this engine. With a quick downshift and a twist of the wrist, I was at triple digits nearly instantaneously. I slowed down and then performed a 6th gear roll on. The bike responded respectfully and powerfully, offering nothing but responsiveness and a rising speedo needle with no hint of protest.
Specifics:
-4k RPM and below-the fussiness and shudder of low speed rolls-ons in too high of a gear are at thing of the past. If you need a lot of power to accelerate quickly, you should still downshift to avoid burdening the engine. However, any moderate acceleration needs (ie; normal traffic, freeway on ramp merging, passing) can easily be handled without downshifting. You can easily shuttle around town in third gear all day long. Low speed maneuvering is much easier now...have I mentioned that already?!
-4k RPM and above-have I said HOLY CRAP yet?! The bike was fast before, but it’s fast and smooth to a whole new level now. You can feel it pull harder than it ever has before. Be aware of your front wheel’s elevation…you have been warned!
>:D
-Shifting is made so much easier due to the gentleness of the throttle opening/closing. I believe any passenger would be pleased with the smooth shifts due to softer throttle inputs. I can not emphasize enough to you how smooth Steve made the shifting. Seriously.
-Throttle inputs (speaking of) are no longer ‘snatchy’ or abrupt. It now requires less operation of the throttle to perform a shift, which ties back into the previous item of them now being smoother. It’s a beautiful symbiotic relationship…
-Decel. To me, the rate of decel with that option is unchanged compared to stock. The perception of there not being as much decel could be due to how smoothly the throttle closes. For me it’s perfect and engine braking is equal to that of the factory flash.
-Fuel mileage. I haven’t completed a full tank yet, but if the numbers on the display are any indication, there will be a considerable bump in economy! My DTE, Current, and Average figures are pretty accurate, historically. With that said, there was a huge increase in reported economy. With a fresh tank, my DTE showed “264(+)”. I have not seen that high of a number prior to this. My reported Current MPG at TRIPLE DIGIT SPEEDS (106 indicated) was low 40’s! Seriously?! The number for constant throttle at 75 MPH was showing 54 MPG! I’ve only ever seen that before with a tailwind. Temps were in the upper 50’s/low 60’s F. My second day of commuting was much colder (40’s F), so the number were a little lower.
Steve's customer service:
Second to none. Period. Upon you contacting him, he sends you a detailed email that tells you everything you need to do. He is very quick to respond to your questions, both on here and via email. I never spoke to him on the phone, but I'm sure he'd answer if you called! He stays in contact to let you know when he has finished and shipped your ECU.
Summary:
It is beyond my comprehension why Kawasaki could not do this to our bikes from the start. There is so much potential, power, and politeness to be had, but they robbed us of it. Enter Steve…his only fault is that he took so long to give us this gift! The President should appoint him Czar of the Bureau of Power and Energy Conservation. This mod is truly for everybody; the speed freaks and the Sunday putters alike. It makes the bike compliant, yet commanding. Polite, yet powerful. Low speed maneuvering and in-town manners are remarkable due to the improved low-end power and smooth throttle inputs The unleashed power up top is stunning, to say the least. All of this and improved fuel economy; the cherry on top!
Steve should name the flash ‘Perfection’, or perhaps ‘Bliss’. Oh wait, he did…Shoodaben! Thank you Steve! :chugbeer:
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Fellow Coggers,
I realize you probably pasted this from the "other" forum... but many of us here aren't "coggers"... just sayin' (but no offense taken by me, anyway).
I don't spend too much time on this forum (no reason in particular), but some of you should remember me from years past. I received my ECU with Steve’s Flash w/decel on Wednesday and now have a couple days of riding/commuting with it. These are my thoughts and hopefully it helps you to decide if you're on the fence…
Thanks for the detailed review!
There is so much potential, power, and politeness to be had, but they robbed us of it. Enter Steve…
Let's not overdo it... Actually, enter Ghul, then enter Steve. Ghul's flash very effectively gave responsiveness, power and wiped away most of the hesitation and dead spots. However, it doesn't do anything for smoothness, snatch, or economy (not that I can tell, anyway).... all things that Steve apparently has addressed for that extra-special deliciousness!
His only fault is that he took so long to give us this gift!
Good things come to those who wait :)
Unless, of course, you have uber super mad skillz and do it yourself first http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-14/kawasaki-1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-14-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable (http://www.woolichracing.com/products/kawasaki/1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-14/kawasaki-1400-gtr-zg-1400-concours-14-ecu-flashing.aspx#productTable)
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I realize you probably pasted this from the "other" forum... but many of us here aren't "coggers"... just sayin' (but no offense taken by me, anyway).
Thanks for the detailed review!
I must be getting old. I missed that one. :doh:
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Nice review TJ!
Dammit, after all the praise I've seen here and at the COG site I guess that I'm going to have to get this flash. The wife won't want me spending the dough though, she doesn't have to know does she? ;)
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A SWMBO proof mod. :thumbs:
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A SWMBO proof mod. :thumbs:
:)
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Ah yes, upon thinking about it I can see how the word "Coggers" isn't exactly the right term, but you know what I mean! The review is actually a copy/paste from a Word document which was posted on each site within minutes of each other (Semantics, I know!). But I knew that the Flash is being discussed on both so I wanted to let both sides of the fence know my thoughts on it.
I have no special skills when it comes to computers and electrical bits, so doing this myself was less than advisable! :o There is no mention of the Guhl flash in my review because I have no experience with it. I didn't consider it as an option because the reviews I read weren't persuasive enough for me to cough up the cash. Steve's flash was also not a consideration until I started seeing consistency in the reviews. Even after mulling it over for quite a while, I was taking a chance on achieving the same results. That leads me to the point of my review...it truly does deliver on what Steve and others are all saying, so for the many that I know are on the fence, this should be your push to the Flash-side! ;D
My wife knows I did it, but I have smartly not mentioned cost and she has smartly not asked! :-X
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tj, thanks for posting here. Some of us are bi-forum others not so much.
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Bi, eh? :rotflmao: Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Bi, eh? :rotflmao: Not that there's anything wrong with that...
If your a chick ;D
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tj, thanks for posting here. Some of us are bi-forum others not so much.
LOL- I am definitely not bi
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LOL- I am definitely not bi
That still leaves 2 possibilities.
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/mr_beeps/Icons/giggle_zpsqouv8aih.gif)
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Nice review TJ!
Dammit, after all the praise I've seen here and at the COG site I guess that I'm going to have to get this flash. The wife won't want me spending the dough though, she doesn't have to know does she? ;)
If you can squirrel away a few bucks here and a few coins there, she may not find out.
Until you hammer the throttle and she flips off the back. (smoothly, of course) :o ;) :P :-X
8)
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Only 2? Why limit yourself?
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That still leaves 2 possibilities.
Actually, it leaves 3 (generally speaking, there are 4.... heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and asexual)
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Actually, it leaves 3 (generally speaking, there are 4.... heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and asexual)
That's all? Then why do the sheep still run scared?
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That's all? Then why do the sheep still run scared?
Eeeeeew. Talk about thread degeneration!
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Eeeeeew. Talk about thread degeneration!
I see what you did there.
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I see what you did there.
Eew brother. ::) :banghead:
...., and asexual)
..And just why are we talking about my wife in this thread? :P
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Thank you tj hess for the review!
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If you can squirrel away a few bucks here and a few coins there, she may not find out.
Until you hammer the throttle and she flips off the back. (smoothly, of course) :o ;) :P :-X
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Bitch be gone then.
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Bitch be gone then.
I've Got 99 Problems and The Bitch Ain't One. :)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY-NAB2INd0#)
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If you can squirrel away a few bucks here and a few coins there, she may not find out.
Until you hammer the throttle and she flips off the back. (smoothly, of course) :o ;) :P :-X
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Flash or not I know better than to hammer the throttle with her on the back. My wife most certainly DOES NOT EVER feel the need for speed on the back of my bike. In fact I've had to promise to ride somewhat sedately whenever she's riding with me or she refuses to ride at all.
She wanted me to buy a HD so that I wouldn't ride so fast. :o
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Flash or not I know better than to hammer the throttle with her on the back. My wife most certainly DOES NOT EVER feel the need for speed on the back of my bike. In fact I've had to promise to ride somewhat sedately whenever she's riding with me or she refuses to ride at all.
She wanted me to buy a HD so that I wouldn't ride so fast. :o
I tried the HD thing for the same reason. She liked it til I ran out of ground clearance. :(
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Flash or not I know better than to hammer the throttle with her on the back. My wife most certainly DOES NOT EVER feel the need for speed on the back of my bike. In fact I've had to promise to ride somewhat sedately whenever she's riding with me or she refuses to ride at all.
She wanted me to buy a HD so that I wouldn't ride so fast. :o
:yikes: and :yikes: :yikes:
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Flash or not I know better than to hammer the throttle with her on the back. My wife most certainly DOES NOT EVER feel the need for speed on the back of my bike. In fact I've had to promise to ride somewhat sedately whenever she's riding with me or she refuses to ride at all.
She wanted me to buy a HD so that I couldn't ride so fast. :o
Fixed that for ya :thumbs: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
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Fixed that for ya :thumbs: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
LOL! :finger_fing11:
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Fixed that for ya :thumbs: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
:rotflmao:
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Ooooookaaaaay, back on topic! Just a quick update...the 2k RPM cold idle only occurred for the first three cold starts. All subsequent cold start idles are back to where they have been for the past several years.
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See what happens when you leave us unsupervised for a couple days?
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There was no lack of supervision. All went as planned.
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Ooooookaaaaay, back on topic! Just a quick update...the 2k RPM cold idle only occurred for the first three cold starts. All subsequent cold start idles are back to where they have been for the past several years.
Mine didn't do that but it was 87 degrees when Steve did the work and I tested it, maybe that had something to do with it.
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Cold idle doesn't have anything to do with the flash, same as the lousy fuel economy the bike gives riding in the cold. there' an atmospheric sensor and coolant sensor that feeds back to the ECU, cold weather, altitude, barometric pressure all impact how the fuel is trimmed by these other sources. The coolant sensor is primarily what drives the cold idle to be higher. This doesn't have anything to do with the flash. Steve
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Wow so much to learn.Got my new bike just 3 weeks ago (2009 Model with Two Brothers slip on).Previous bike was a 1991 Suzuki GSX 1100 .So this is my first bike with EFI.I have rode the 1400 for about 500 miles in the last 3 weeks and have noticed all the little quirks mentioned in the review at the start of this thread.I was wondering if i needed a Two Brothers Juice box but from further research looks like a ECU flash may be the way to go.
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Wow so much to learn.Got my new bike just 3 weeks ago (2009 Model with Two Brothers slip on).Previous bike was a 1991 Suzuki GSX 1100 .So this is my first bike with EFI.I have rode the 1400 for about 500 miles in the last 3 weeks and have noticed all the little quirks mentioned in the review at the start of this thread.I was wondering if i needed a Two Brothers Juice box but from further research looks like a ECU flash may be the way to go.
Get a ECU flash from Steve & forget about all the other crap !!
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Get a ECU flash from Steve & forget about all the other crap !!
:thumbs: :thumbs:
Best $300.00 you will spend on this bike....
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Thanks guys for your advice.Rode 125 miles today at 45 degrees.With the right clothes its not cold at all.
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I'm late to the party here, I have a 2012 with a Guhl reflash which I liked for the low end power add. I do still notice a huge clunk when I transition from off to on throttle. My bike sees redline a fair amount, so I am interested in the big hp increase, also for the smoothness and especially for the mileage increase, my bike seems to get very bad *ahem* mileage. My brother has the same bike and is on here sometimes, he loves it and swears I should get it and he knows I have the Guhl flash.
But one thing I saw and I only saw it once, was that somebody said you can run 89 octane with Steve's flash? I only saw that once and mine sees WOT at low rpm so I notice that would make for a lot of detonation if the octane was too low. That's not something I would want to risk unless I was pretty sure it was ok, so that's what I am looking for here.
So what's the deal, can you run 89 with this or what? Between a mileage increase and the price delta between 89 and 93, this thing could help pay for itself.
Thanks
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I'm late to the party here, I have a 2012 with a Guhl reflash which I liked for the low end power add. I do still notice a huge clunk when I transition from off to on throttle. My bike sees redline a fair amount, so I am interested in the big hp increase, also for the smoothness and especially for the mileage increase, my bike seems to get very bad *ahem* mileage. My brother has the same bike and is on here sometimes, he loves it and swears I should get it and he knows I have the Guhl flash.
But one thing I saw and I only saw it once, was that somebody said you can run 89 octane with Steve's flash? I only saw that once and mine sees WOT at low rpm so I notice that would make for a lot of detonation if the octane was too low. That's not something I would want to risk unless I was pretty sure it was ok, so that's what I am looking for here.
So what's the deal, can you run 89 with this or what? Between a mileage increase and the price delta between 89 and 93, this thing could help pay for itself.
Thanks
I'm thinking I am the best to answer here. Yes, I built the flash on 89 octane, on purpose, it was done so that if the various tuning parameters would work with 89, higher octane, 91-93 just adds a margin of safety, so I suggest that a person follows the recommendation of 90+ octane from Kawasaki.
Also, the issue of wOT at low rpm is important . Obviously there's a pretty large difference in load between wot / 1st gear 3k rpm, and 6th gear, 3k rpm. So to just say the issue is WOT low rpm doesn't really provide enough info. Regardless, I know there's somebody out there who will pull WOT at 2000 rpm in 6th gear, so yeah, I did it while tuning repeatedly to be sure there's no gas knock. Do I think it's a good idea on any engine? No. Do I recommend it on a stock tune? No. Do I recommend it with my tune? No. High cylinder pressures at low rpm and high load is very tough on the engine regardless. But the fact is I did allow for that while building the flash, and I did back off some parameters to be sure there was no detonation, on my bike, with 89.
All that said, WOT at low rpms high load will just never be a good idea... that's what a gearbox is for. Steve
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Lots of great info here. Hopefully I will get mine done before tax time. Stock is linear, but doesn't pull like a 1400 cc bike should. Everything I've read tells me that the flash will give me the bike I paid for, for only $350 more. tp
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Presently 325.00, which includes shipping and insurance :chugbeer: Steve
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I've read the comments and I'm sold. I haven't experienced the low RPM issues with the stock setup, but my 2012 has only 800 miles on it. I figure it's just a question of time and miles.
Wanted to get rid of the bazooka and put on a slipon (recently acquired a Muzzy) before pulling the ECU and sending it in.
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It's supposed to be in the 60's Friday, so mine will get sent off soon.
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Got my ECU back today, it took FOREVER. Ok, fine, it took like 6 days or so, just seemed that way.
Way more power for sure, smoother, very good low end. I liked what the Guhl flash gave me, this is way better. Plus I just put a slip on on it recently, so it looks and sounds way better and it lost quite a bit of weight in the deal.
The true test will be up against my buddy's MultiStrada. We ran them about 5 separate times on a ride a month or so ago and they were as even as 2 bikes can be. We'll see now that I have 15 more hp! To be continued!
Oh, one thing, now what effect does switching to ECO mode have?
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Oh, one thing, now what effect does switching to ECO [FEAM] mode have?
With the Guhl flash the FEAM map is untouched so switching to it is reverting all changes. Not sure with Steve's (I didn't see it specifically mentioned anywhere) but would be nice to know. Since his presumably better addresses fuel economy than even the FEAM, I think it would be nicer to load the stock NON-FEAM map into the FEAM map slot for a true before/after effect. Although that seems counter-intuitive to go into FEAM and end up with something less fuel efficient than the regular stock map AND the reflashed map :)
UPDATE: Just saw posting here, although not from Steve: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=21014.msg260561#msg260561 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=21014.msg260561#msg260561)
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I rode down to southern VA and back over last weekend. Going down I actually saw 50mpg with a mixture of Interstate and two lane. I haven't seen that number in years. However, coming back I only got 46 or so. The weather was warmer last Friday going down, but colder going back up on Saturday morning. Typically I average about 45 or less before the flash.
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I rode down to southern VA and back over last weekend. Going down I actually saw 50mpg with a mixture of Interstate and two lane. I haven't seen that number in years. However, coming back I only got 46 or so. The weather was warmer last Friday going down, but colder going back up on Saturday morning. Typically I average about 45 or less before the flash.
So what I hear you saying is that I will actually save money by getting this flash ;) Works for me!
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I equate that to a very nice side effect.. Might take awhile to get your money back depending on how much you ride..
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I equate that to a very nice side effect.. Might take awhile to get your money back depending on how much you ride..
If one equates the ROI from gas cost savings alone, it cold take a while. But, it the improved performance and rideability is included, the satisfaction and fiscal combination, should allow for an almost immediate ROI... :D :D
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If one equates the ROI from gas cost savings alone, it cold take a while. But, it the improved performance and rideability is included, the satisfaction and fiscal combination, should allow for an almost immediate ROI... :D :D
Yes but you could have 2 different conversations:
1) Honey I need to spend $375 to make my motorcycle go faster...
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2) I'm going to modify my motorcycle so I can save money on gas...
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Yes but you could have 2 different conversations:
1) Honey I need to spend $375 to make my motorcycle go faster...
or
2) I'm going to modify my motorcycle so I can save money on gas...
Luckily, since I've been unmarried for the past decade, I don't need to have said conversations any longer, but mentioning that the product needed is ON SALE, and will be saving money two ways, original purchase and gas, could be a plus... tp
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Luckily, since I've been unmarried for the past decade, I don't need to have said conversations any longer, but mentioning that the product needed is ON SALE, and will be saving money two ways, original purchase and gas, could be a plus... tp
Is there a "sale" price going on?
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Is there a "sale" price going on?
I'm sure Steve could print out an MSRP price list and a Special Pricing list (to reflect today's current actual pricing), showing it as a discount. Marketing, Marketing, Marketing.... Ladies love the word SALE.
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Just got this flash myself short term testing, I love it! Longer term/distance testing to follow, but it DOES fix all the low rpm choppy throttle issues!
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What year bike?
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Yes but you could have 2 different conversations:
1) Honey I need to spend $375 to make my motorcycle go faster...
or
2) I'm going to modify my motorcycle so I can save money on gas...
Oh no, not another P/whipped C-14 rider.. :o
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Yes but you could have 2 different conversations:
1) Honey I need to spend $375 to make my motorcycle go faster...
or
2) I'm going to modify my motorcycle so I can save money on gas...
Don't forget 2.1) This mod will make my shifting smoother so you won't have to worry about your helmet hitting mine any longer.
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Oh no, not another P/whipped C-14 rider.. :o
I said "you" could have 2 different conversations. ;)
I already got mine flashed by Guhl years ago. But with all the great reviews on this flash, I'm thinking about having Steve flash it again. The problem is that I'm too busy riding to have the bike sitting for a week.
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I would have paid $50 to get an ECU sent to me to use so I didn't have to park my bike for what seemed like a long time. Plus, it would be nice to run them back to back, but I think you can run ECO vs non-ECO and do the same?
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I would have paid $50 to get an ECU sent to me to use so I didn't have to park my bike for what seemed like a long time. Plus, it would be nice to run them back to back, but I think you can run ECO vs non-ECO and do the same?
Not quite the same but yes. Before I got the Guhl flash, I hardly noticed much difference between the 2. After the Guhl flash there is a very noticeable difference.
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I noticed a pretty good difference between Guhl and stock. When I wacked the throttle with Guhl at 2500 rpm, it was VERY apparent that you needed to be pointing where you wanted to go before you did that.
Steve's flash feels smoother and has the low end, but I have only ridden it once and had to get somewhere. I am looking forward to running against my buddy's Multistrada, because we ran from 'rolling in 1st gear at idle' to redline in 3 gears and we were dead nuts even. We did it at least 3x and the results were identical. I was surprised. I thought he would blow me into the weeds. We are both in our late 50's and have Ben riding for 30+ years, raced dirt bikes, done track days etc so while we're not Marquez and Rossi, we know how to twist a throttle. I think we are gonna ride tomorrow afternoon, so I should be able to go to ECO mode and run as stock gaitly even, then switch to normal mode and beat him handily. Testing is fun!
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I would have paid $50 to get an ECU sent to me to use so I didn't have to park my bike for what seemed like a long time.
Can't be done. your ECU has a unique identifier to mate with your Kipass unit. It's easy to have a couple eCU's run on the bike if you can key them with a kds unit. Steve
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I noticed a pretty good difference between Guhl and stock. When I wacked the throttle with Guhl at 2500 rpm, it was VERY apparent that you needed to be pointing where you wanted to go before you did that.
Steve's flash feels smoother and has the low end, but I have only ridden it once and had to get somewhere. I am looking forward to running against my buddy's Multistrada, because we ran from 'rolling in 1st gear at idle' to redline in 3 gears and we were dead nuts even. We did it at least 3x and the results were identical. I was surprised. I thought he would blow me into the weeds. We are both in our late 50's and have Ben riding for 30+ years, raced dirt bikes, done track days etc so while we're not Marquez and Rossi, we know how to twist a throttle. I think we are gonna ride tomorrow afternoon, so I should be able to go to ECO mode and run as stock gaitly even, then switch to normal mode and beat him handily. Testing is fun!
Excellent! I've been looking for a review of someone who has the Guhl going to Steve's flash. This flash is sounding better and better. The weather in TX this winter has been outstanding and I just don't want to be without a bike for a week. Maybe next winter.
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Can't be done. your ECU has a unique identifier to mate with your Kipass unit. It's easy to have a couple eCU's run on the bike if you can key them with a kds unit. Steve
I was told to write down some number on my ECU before shipping. I think I did this? It already had a number written on it in marker, I assume by Guhl.
Why is it necessary to store this number? And what is the number and what is the purpose of it? And what's the downsides if that number is not recorded? Mine runs fine so I am lucky.
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I noticed a pretty good difference between Guhl and stock. When I wacked the throttle with Guhl at 2500 rpm, it was VERY apparent that you needed to be pointing where you wanted to go before you did that.
Steve's flash feels smoother and has the low end, but I have only ridden it once and had to get somewhere. I am looking forward to running against my buddy's Multistrada, because we ran from 'rolling in 1st gear at idle' to redline in 3 gears and we were dead nuts even. We did it at least 3x and the results were identical. I was surprised. I thought he would blow me into the weeds. We are both in our late 50's and have Ben riding for 30+ years, raced dirt bikes, done track days etc so while we're not Marquez and Rossi, we know how to twist a throttle. I think we are gonna ride tomorrow afternoon, so I should be able to go to ECO mode and run as stock gaitly even, then switch to normal mode and beat him handily. Testing is fun!
Who's Ben? ??? ;)
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Who's Ben? ??? ;)
Gotta love autocorrects on today's computers. Normally they correct things wrong. ;D
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He's the autocorrect asshole on my phone. I saw that and tried to go back and edit it but the edit interface was horrifying and I just hoped everybofy here was smart enough to figure it out.
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I was told to write down some number on my ECU before shipping. I think I did this? It already had a number written on it in marker, I assume by Guhl.
Why is it necessary to store this number? And what is the number and what is the purpose of it? And what's the downsides if that number is not recorded? Mine runs fine so I am lucky.
My instructions tell everyone to write down the PN IE 21175-0131, etc. This isn't the ID #, this is the part number. I tell folks to keep that number at their location so that in the event of a loss, we know what ECU to replace it with. I have a procedure in place that in the event of loss we'll get your bike up and running with money in your pocket. I am collecting ECU's so that in the event of a loss I have replacements, or we can get one from ebay. We insure for 1100.00, in event of a loss we can replace the ecu for under 300.00 and then get the local dealer to key it to kipass. 1/2 hour labor. And yes, I have tried to think of everything... :yikes: Steve
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He's the autocorrect asshole on my phone. I saw that and tried to go back and edit it but the edit interface was horrifying and I just hoped everybofy here was smart enough to figure it out.
Thus the ;)
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Not quite the same but yes. Before I got the Guhl flash, I hardly noticed much difference between the 2. After the Guhl flash there is a very noticeable difference.
Indeed... The stock FEAM vs. non-FEAM wasn't very noticeable. But after a Ghul flash it is BIG difference between the two modes. One should notice a similar difference if flashed with Steve's.
Nitpick (not directed at anyone in particular)- there is no such thing as an "ECO mode"... but there is a "FEA mode". There are two "ECO"-labeled icons on the dash, and they mean different things. One of them indicates that FEAM (Fuel Economy Assist Mode) is activated (italic letters with some lines). The other just indicates that you are riding in an economical manner (looks like three circles). Kawasaki went out of their way to make it confusing.
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I noticed a pretty good difference between Guhl and stock. When I wacked the throttle with Guhl at 2500 rpm, it was VERY apparent that you needed to be pointing where you wanted to go before you did that.
Steve's flash feels smoother and has the low end, but I have only ridden it once and had to get somewhere. I am looking forward to running against my buddy's Multistrada, because we ran from 'rolling in 1st gear at idle' to redline in 3 gears and we were dead nuts even. We did it at least 3x and the results were identical. I was surprised. I thought he would blow me into the weeds. We are both in our late 50's and have Ben riding for 30+ years, raced dirt bikes, done track days etc so while we're not Marquez and Rossi, we know how to twist a throttle. I think we are gonna ride tomorrow afternoon, so I should be able to go to ECO mode and run as stock gaitly even, then switch to normal mode and beat him handily. Testing is fun!
I think your friend will smoke you if you are in ECO mode, you loose a lot of top end power at WOT. The first time I went WOT in first I was rather un-impressed, then I realized I was in ECO mode. I then switched ECO off and tried another first gear WOT ... yaaa whoooo ... traction light flashed on and kept the front end down but man was there a difference.
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I call it eco mode because it says eco mode on the dash when I press the button. Feel free to call it My Little Pony if you want.
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I call it eco mode because it says eco mode on the dash when I press the button. Feel free to call it My Little Pony if you want.
Actually, it says "Eco" on the dash, not "eco mode". Indeed, call it whatever you like, although the manual calls it "Fuel Economy Assist Mode". Luckily they didn't call the gas tank the "Go Juice Container" or the antilock brake system the "OMG Super Brake Pulsation System". :)
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I think your friend will smoke you if you are in ECO mode, you loose a lot of top end power at WOT. The first time I went WOT in first I was rather un-impressed, then I realized I was in ECO mode. I then switched ECO off and tried another first gear WOT ... yaaa whoooo ... traction light flashed on and kept the front end down but man was there a difference.
That is true. Stock, one might not notice much difference between FEA and regular mode in low or mid-end, but it gets more pronounced in high-end.
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Actually, it says "Eco" on the dash, not "eco mode". Indeed, call it whatever you like, although the manual calls it "Fuel Economy Assist Mode". Luckily they didn't call the gas tank the "Go Juice Container" or the antilock brake system the "OMG Super Brake Pulsation System". :)
To me, when someone says, "I don't mean to be (x)", that means some serious (x) is coming. Not only was I not disappointed, I was treated to distinguishing between "eco" and "eco mode". That's some black belt ninja Yoda level (x) right there. Truly, we are in the presence of greatness. Thanks.
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To me, when someone says, "I don't mean to be (x)", that means some serious (x) is coming. Not only was I not disappointed, I was treated to distinguishing between "eco" and "eco mode". That's some black belt ninja Yoda level (x) right there. Truly, we are in the presence of greatness. Thanks.
The forums were greatly protected by your suppositions and inaccurate interpretation of my postings. Rest assured that your position as the great exposer of malintent and dark mind control will remain secure for eons to come! Thanks, back at you!
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The unknowing, messing with informed, caring management again. Does seem to happen from time to time. you handled it better than I would have... tomp
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Thanks!
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Thanks!
Sorry, but the reply was to maxtog, as he is forum management, or perhaps you knew that, and y'all were having a fun battle that others like myself were unaware.
FWIW, I thought it was called the eco mode too, but learned differently here.
A great weekend to all, and a Happy Easter too. tp
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No worries.
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No worries.
A little banter here and there keeps things lively. Some of my postings may come across as annoying or overly corrective, and that is never the intent. Text postings, by nature, are easily misinterpreted, despite emoticons or other devices. zggtr.org is the best forum ever (well, at least the best of many I have seen/used).
Back to the subject at hand... I am glad to see that Steve is taking precautions against lost or damaged ECU units. It would be a really huge bummer to find out your Concours is out of service due to a shipping error or whatnot.
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What year bike?
Sorry 2011 around 25k miles stock engine exhaust
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Thanks.
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Not sure if this has been tossed around (probably has) but how does Steve's Flash compare to the Bazzaz ZF1 Fuel Inj Controller?
http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller (http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller)
Thanx...
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Not sure if this has been tossed around (probably has) but how does Steve's Flash compare to the Bazzaz ZF1 Fuel Inj Controller?
http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller (http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller)
Hadn't heard of it before. They only list the gen2:
http://bazzaz.net/index.php/kawasaki/concours-10-15 (http://bazzaz.net/index.php/kawasaki/concours-10-15)
Their fuel controller doesn't touch the secondary butterflies, and that is what makes the vast majority of the difference. At their price of $350, I would take a Steve or Ghul reflash over it, without hesitation.
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Hadn't heard of it before. They only list the gen2:
http://bazzaz.net/index.php/kawasaki/concours-10-15 (http://bazzaz.net/index.php/kawasaki/concours-10-15)
Their fuel controller doesn't touch the secondary butterflies, and that is what makes the vast majority of the difference. At their price of $350, I would take a Steve or Ghul reflash over it, without hesitation.
A little pricey $860.00 to get everything Steves does for less the half the cost. I'll side with Max on this one.
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Not sure if this has been tossed around (probably has) but how does Steve's Flash compare to the Bazzaz ZF1 Fuel Inj Controller?
http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller (http://bazzaz.net/index.php/fuel-control/z-fi-fuel-controller)
Thanx...
Hey folks; my 2011 C-14 was the test mule for the Bazzaz fuel controller development back in 2012. I couldn't really notice the three plus horsepower increase; but the bike idled and ran smoother. I believe the developer told me he lessened fuel delivery at various RPM levels. At any rate, no comparison between Guhl flash, which I later received, and the Bazzaz fuel controller mod: Guhl's flash was easily more effective at waking the bike up below 4K rpm. But I still intend to try SISF's flash! :) :finger_fing11:
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Actually, it leaves 3 (generally speaking, there are 4.... heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and asexual)
No there are 5,you left out transsexual, trisexual, {try anything}.