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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: MGvaleri on April 09, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
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In my case I think that depends on such a small oil drip from o'ring.
Later I shall tell you if!
http://youtu.be/8fUm8kaTEC8 (http://youtu.be/8fUm8kaTEC8)
MGvalerio 8)
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Excellent video MG. If you are correct it would save a lot of messing around in the engine. Hope you used a quality o-ring.
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:goodpost: Excellent vid, MG! So that's another thing I need to check as we've heard of the this sensor leaking oil before...cam position sensor? If so, I can't find it in the parts fiche.. I know it's there but I just can't locate it. The service manual shows it with the cylinder head cover and cylinder head and camshaft.
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connie1 :)
O'ring is quality, but not with specs as the original, this was my choice, because if I'm a magician per hour!
Without the risk is not resolved I think.
MGvalerio. 8)
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I was rather hoping you used the Kwak o-ring and had a part number..... :doh:
Bullwinkle's hat gag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mmrF-4rUE#)
Instead you came up with something off the shelf as usual....
You MacGyver, you!
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I was rather hoping you used the Kwak o-ring and had a part number..... :doh:
Bullwinkle's hat gag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mmrF-4rUE#)
Instead you came up with something off the shelf as usual....
You MacGyver, you!
;D ;D ;D ciao jim
MGvalerio. ;)
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I wouldn't have used the stock ring either. It has already proven to be too small or damaged. Use a quality o-ring, one size bigger, and be careful with the installation, should look after the problem for good.
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Maybe that's why it can't be found in the parts fiche.... There's o-rings and then there's o-rings. This one must withstand heat and petroleum products. Not sure I'd trust picking one up from a bin in a hardware store.. While the original one does shrink and leak a bit, it's not a catastrophic failure. This one tends to leak (from my research) the more the bike sits. If the bike is ridden regularly then not so much. So I guess riding the bike is good for it and you.
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MGvalerio.0
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:doh: ;D I sit vindicated.
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MG do you have a Part#and Manufacturer for the O-ring you did use? The new larger one?
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Awesome video! ;)
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connie1 :)
.............., this was my choice, because if I'm a magician per hour!
Without the risk is not resolved I think.
MGvalerio. 8)
Someone please translate.
PS. I did not see any evidence that mine was leaking. I did however, have valve cover gasket leakage.
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without the risk is not resolved I think.
I gather that to mean that without going to the larger o-ring (risking the change) it wouldn't fix the problem. I may be wrong. The magician part ... I couldn't hazard a guess.
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without the risk is not resolved I think.
I gather that to mean that without going to the larger o-ring (risking the change) it wouldn't fix the problem. I may be wrong. The magician part ... I couldn't hazard a guess.
Mi piace moltissimo questo Forum,peccato che mi capiate al 50% di quello che scrivo,questa colpa mia,io sono venuto da voi.
Connie 1 :thumbs: OK a 80%.
MGvalerio. :(
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:doh: ;D I sit vindicated.
If you eat more fruit that should help with that problem.
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That wasn't a typo! >:( ;)
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:)
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Orings didn;t fix the prob on my ZX14...and you guys are scaring me with these C14 leaky Kawasaki :censored: bikes!
I could be riding a leaky Hardly-Ableson slow with a dew rag! ;D
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So that's another thing I need to check as we've heard of the this sensor leaking oil before...cam position sensor? If so, I can't find it in the parts fiche.. I know it's there but I just can't locate it. The service manual shows it with the cylinder head cover and cylinder head and camshaft.
It's under the fuel injection fiche. :banghead: Part number 92055-1639 There are two of them, the one in the front as seen in the video
and one on top of the cylinder head cover, aka valve cover.
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It's under the fuel injection fiche. :banghead: Part number 92055-1639 There are two of them, the one in the front as seen in the video
and one on top of the cylinder head cover, aka valve cover.
Hmmmmm.......if I do in fact have a leak, I bet it is coming from 1 or maybe even both of these orings.
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connie1 :)
O'ring is quality, but not with specs as the original, this was my choice, because if I'm a magician per hour!
Without the risk is not resolved I think.
MGvalerio. 8)
Torque spec for that bolt?
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87in-lbs...
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It's under the fuel injection fiche. :banghead: Part number 92055-1639 There are two of them, the one in the front as seen in the video
and one on top of the cylinder head cover, aka valve cover.
Never would have thought to look there....thanks for finding it.
I usually take the plastic off in the front to check the header nuts so I'll have a look see then. I've been getting smells from the bike really since day 1 at times. It smelled a bit when I took it out the day before yesterday but it had been sitting some.
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the Kaw p/n is 92055-1639
I just have'nt had the ambition or spare time to pull the damn sensor out and measure the groove size...
McMaster Carr has "quad" rings (they have 4 lobes, kinda like a shamrock shape in cross section) that seal much better than a simple round cross section ring, they have them in Viton and Buna...
and in the sizes I can estimate (3/32 or 1/8 cross section) would cost about $0.12 each...you could buy a sack of 100 for the price of 6 at kaws price..... ;)
somebody find the "dash" number for this part, I have searched all the Kaw parts sites hoping to find a cross reference on the size... it's either a -1xx or a -2xx part number in "o-ring lingo" for a 3/32 or 1/8 section.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=m9g9jz (http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=m9g9jz)
oh, STANDARD o-rings in this size range run about the same price for 100 pieces as Kaw charges for 1 piece...( approx $2.50)
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I obviously cannot see much without pulling off the plastic, but I can see what looks to be oil residue on the right side. Thinking it may be the sensor in question, or possibly the valve cover oring mentioned above that. Smoke was coming from the bottom of my header, I could see it when I was laying down on the garage floor. My leak doesnt appear to be very bad, just enough to **** me off though. >:(
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Orings didn;t fix the prob on my ZX14...and you guys are scaring me with these C14 leaky Kawasaki :censored: bikes!
I could be riding a leaky Hardly-Ableson slow with a dew rag! ;D
If the dealer used the same diameter oring "which they did" then I am not surprised it eventually started to leak again. I am pretty convinced I have a slow leak from the cam sensor oring, and from the way that oil spreads out all over the cylinder head, it would not be hard for anyone to assume it is coming from the valve cover. But....I am betting most valve covers are not the culprit, it is in fact this oring. I am gonna strip the plastic off and get this swapped out ASAP. From the vid it looks like that sensor is on the right side of bike while sitting, and left side looking from the front?
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Get your rings here...
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13866.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13866.0)
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Get your rings here...
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13866.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13866.0)
I sent a PM, waiting to hear back.
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I sent a PM, waiting to hear back.
Va montato o-ring originale kawasaki,io non ho risolto il problema causa o-ring non originale.
Al prossimo intervento applicherò pure al cilindro sensore pasta rossa guarnizioni anti calore.
Detto sensore andrebbe riprogettato con guarnizione o-ring non interno.
MG valerio. >:(
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Va montato o-ring originale kawasaki,io non ho risolto il problema causa o-ring non originale.
Al prossimo intervento applicherò pure al cilindro sensore pasta rossa guarnizioni anti calore.
Detto sensore andrebbe riprogettato con guarnizione o-ring non interno.
MG valerio. >:(
"It is mounted O-ring original kawasaki, I have not solved the problem because o-ring is not original.
At the next action I shall apply also to the sensor cylinder seals anti pasta red heat.
The sensor should be redesigned with O-ring inside".
Now I am really confused. :)
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"It is mounted O-ring original kawasaki, I have not solved the problem because o-ring is not original.
At the next action I shall apply also to the sensor cylinder seals anti pasta red heat.
The sensor should be redesigned with O-ring inside".
Now I am really confused. :)
Non devi essere confuso???
la soluzione con un nuovo o-ring originale non sarà mai definitiva,fino a quando non riprogetteranno detto sensore con un o-ring esterno. ;)
MG valerio. :finger_fing11: