Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: mikeyw64 on March 25, 2018, 01:32:14 AM
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more commonly referred to as Gen 3 (or even Gen 2.5) ?
I mean it's a reasonably good list of changes over the Gen 2
revised first gear ratio,
different steering stem seal for lighter steering at low speed,
stiffer rear suspension for enhanced carrying capacity,
an adjustable vent in the windshield,
revised ABS programming to reduce the linked braking effect,
a new rear luggage base,
silver bezels on the analog dash meters,
elongated mid-pipe heat shield,
change of warning lamp color from red to yellow,
tank pad,
cushions on passenger pegs, and a more deeply sculpted seat
North American models now use same oxygen sensor as rest of world
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Ok so will admit a fairly minor list of changes compared to those between Gen1 & Gen2 :)
KTRC traction control and K-ACT ABS and brake assist, as well as linked brakes[8] which are optional in some markets (2010 only) and standard in others.
The 2010 model has revised bodywork to improve engine cooling and reduce engine heat to the rider,
mirrors raised by 40 mm (1.6 in),
the dashboard top was redesigned with vents to help relieve back pressure,
a larger wind screen and with memory function and auto-lowering,
a heat shield across the midsection of the exhaust pipe,
a handlebar-mounted switch to control the dash computer,
variable heated grips,
an optional "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode" (was this also only in 2010?) that tells the ECU to use a leaner, more economical air-fuel ratio at engine speeds less than 6,000 rpm and road speed less than 80 mph (130 km/h),
an "Economical Riding Indicator" was added to the dashboard.
The tank-mounted storage area was removed and replaced with an auto-locking glove box in the left fairing,
the exhaust silencer cap was changed,
the two color seat was replaced a single color model,
the instrument cluster illumination was changed from red to white,
an ambient outdoor temperature display option was added to the computer display,
included key sets were changed from two active fobs/keys to one active fob/key and one passive mini fob/key,
the front fork fluid levels were increased by 25ml,
the oil pan was modified so that the drain plug faces forward instead of downward to prevent damage.
The ECU was programmed to limit top speed to 154 mph.
The rear pannier covers were fully painted (instead of leaving a black area at the bottom)
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Since we are on a forum, I think it should be referred to as a Gen 2.1 (first revision - like software versions). It wouldn’t go to Gen 3 until there is a visual design change to the bike. :D
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Since we are on a forum, I think it should be referred to as a Gen 2.1 (first revision - like software versions). It wouldn’t go to Gen 3 until there is a visual design change to the bike. :D
I can agree with that 😁
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more commonly referred to as Gen 3 (or even Gen 2.5) ?
Mostly just because the changes are so few and so minor compared to what happened 2009 vs 2010.
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Since we are on a forum, I think it should be referred to as a Gen 2.1 (first revision - like software versions.
Seems reasonable to me.
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Since we are on a forum, I think it should be referred to as a Gen 2.1 (first revision - like software versions). It wouldn’t go to Gen 3 until there is a visual design change to the bike. :D
I'm starting to feel like Rodney (https://youtu.be/Iwu-6GxBHN4).
Three years ago and change. (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18906.msg228046#msg228045)
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I'm starting to feel like Rodney (https://youtu.be/Iwu-6GxBHN4).
Three years ago and change. (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18906.msg228046#msg228045)
which is easy for those that were here 3 years ago to say ;)
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OK. I have a 2008 ABS. If , say just for S&G's, that I had the opportunity to purchase a gently used 2010+. What do you think would be the most noteworthy improvement(s)? Perhaps the Top Three that would make the move a no-brainer. :nuts:
It's clear that making the move to the latest and greatest version is sometimes the most logical conclusion. That being writ, is 2015+ where the "Next Gen" line could be drawn?
ZG/GTR1400 Generations?
Gen 1: 2008-2009
Gen 2: 2010-2014
Gen 3: 2015-Present
Yes, I could research all sorts of content on-line to get an answer but the information from forums like this one is, IMHO, where it's at. :hail:
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I'm starting to feel like Rodney (https://youtu.be/Iwu-6GxBHN4).
Three years ago and change. (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18906.msg228046#msg228045)
Great minds think alike!
I had never seen that post from 3 years ago.
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OK. I have a 2008 ABS. If , say just for S&G's, that I had the opportunity to purchase a gently used 2010+. What do you think would be the most noteworthy improvement(s)? Perhaps the Top Three that would make the move a no-brainer. :nuts:
It's clear that making the move to the latest and greatest version is sometimes the most logical conclusion. That being writ, is 2015+ where the "Next Gen" line could be drawn?
ZG/GTR1400 Generations?
Gen 1: 2008-2009
Gen 2: 2010-2014
Gen 3: 2015-Present
Yes, I could research all sorts of content on-line to get an answer but the information from forums like this one is, IMHO, where it's at. :hail:
I can’t speak for previous generations, but what I can say is that I don’t have any of the common complaints with my 2017 that most of the Gen 2 owners complain about. I can easily ride out a full tank on the stock seat.
The linked brakes on the less linked setting isn’t that bad. I am able to trail brake without activating the front brakes. That was actually my biggest concern prior to buying my bike. I had read several threads complaining about the linked brakes. I had even gone as far as researching what it would take to unlink them. After the first couple of rides, I got a feel for where the linking takes place and it has been a non-issue since.
The windshield vent definitely works. I had some mild buffeting with it closed, but open mid way, I get no buffering at all. I’m not crazy about the looks of it tho.
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OK. I have a 2008 ABS. If , say just for S&G's, that I had the opportunity to purchase a gently used 2010+. What do you think would be the most noteworthy improvement(s)? Perhaps the Top Three that would make the move a no-brainer. :nuts:
For me, the top 9 changes, in order would be:
1) Heated grips
2) Heat management (better fairings, heat shield, more insulation)
3) Traction control
4) Ambient temp display
5) White dash illumination
6) Computer control on handlebar
7) Raised mirrors
8 ) Locking glove box
9) Oil pan drain moved
The rest of the changes, no so important (to me)
It's clear that making the move to the latest and greatest version is sometimes the most logical conclusion. That being writ, is 2015+ where the "Next Gen" line could be drawn?
Maybe as a 2.1, I don't think as a 3. There is no change in the 2015 that would sway me to want it over a 2014. And much of what was 2.1 could be bolted on to the gen 1 or 2.0 (windscreen, change steering stem, click the preloader once, swap seat [have different anyway], tank pad sticker [yuck], clear fluid tanks). As for the rest- Some people might appreciate the linked brake reduction. 1st gear change- why? Silver bezel, yellow warning lamp, yawn.
Conclusion, the only thing that really matters much with 2.1 is the reduced linked braking effect, and I am not sure that will matter to most people.
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Ok so will admit a fairly minor list of changes compared to those between Gen1 & Gen2 :)
Yep
an optional "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode" (was this also only in 2010?)
Yes. I will admit to using it occasionally. But what is really nice about it is more that it is a second "slot" for a user-selectable, real-time, second "map" (think reflash or "selectable driving mode").
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Yep
Yes. I will admit to using it occasionally. But what is really nice about it is more that it is a second "slot" for a user-selectable, real-time, second "map" (think reflash or "selectable driving mode").
I know it's optional to turn it on I was more asking "was it an option to have it installed on the 2010 models or could you order the bike without it, same as ordering without KTRAC"
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If , say just for S&G's, that I had the opportunity to purchase a gently used 2010+. What do you think would be the most noteworthy improvement(s)?
It's sort of relative. That is relative to you and how you feel about your Gen I bike. Does the heat bother you? If so then the fairing change might be #1 if not then the fairing change seems to most to make the bike less physically attractive. The ability to change the LCD display from the handle bars is very nice, but again it doesn't really effect riding performance. Traction control is nice to have, except those with decades of experience with large bikes can certainly be found to POO POO it as un-necessary. Hand grip warmers are also nice but again that would be relative to the person's needs. When going through mountainous areas when touring (I hate to stop between gas stops) it's very nice to just turn on/off the grips instead of having to stop every 20 minutes to change gloves as the temperature fluctuates with altitude changes. If you are a tank bag enthusiast the Gen II is more amenable to that. The change in the gauge illumination from red to white is more pleasing to my eye, but I know that logically the red illumination of the Gen I is more logical for night vision. The memory function of the Windshield position on Gen II can be very nice for those that always have their windshields near one of the memory settings but I never use it myself. The second fuel map might be not appreciated by most but again it's nice to have when you find yourself stretching things a bit in the boonies. The most touted in publications at the time IIRC was the fairing change for heat control and the addition of the traction control.
As for the 2.1 version, again the same relativity pops up. I found the perfect windshield for me on my Gen II was the OEM with a vent from the Gen 2.1 after trying 4 other windshields. If I pulled a trailer or rode a lot of two up then the first gear ratio change in the Gen 2.1 would most likely be a very nice improvement. I have no idea personally, but I have doubts that the stem seal change could really do much or if it is even noticeable. I believe the most touted in publications at the time was the reduced brake linking effect, the windshield vent and the first gear ratio change.
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I know it's optional to turn it on I was more asking "was it an option to have it installed on the 2010 models or could you order the bike without it, same as ordering without KTRAC"
99.9 percent certain it was standard on all '10s and up, same as windshield position memory. I think that is a good question for jimmymac to answer since he says he has a Non ABS '10.
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I believe because the changes are relatively small, and they are interchangeable with the existing 'version' of the vehicle. That is not the case with Gen. 1 / Gen. 2 bikes, the fairings are sufficiently different that they are not interchangeable or even able to be installed on the 'other' version of the bike.
But I think the whole concept of generations of the same vehicle is not defined by anyone anyway. I am speaking of changes w/in a series; outside the series, the manufacturer would specify a series change such as the C1, C2, C3, etc. series of Corvette. But the difference between, say, a 1964 Corvette coupe and a 1965 Corvette coupe would be more of a consumer- applied, generational change, or in this case, the 1964 would be singled out and referred to by its unique quality (the rear window is two pieces, hence 'split window fastback').
I think if we applied something similar to the software world, there would be a Gen. 1, Gen. 2 and Gen. 2.1 version of the Concours, the decimal indicating a relatively minor change w/in the larger, common series family.
And beyond all that, there have been some small changes to the line that do have occurred alone; the new front rotor carrier was changed in 2012 or 2013 (I think 2013).
Brian
more commonly referred to as Gen 3 (or even Gen 2.5) ?
I mean it's a reasonably good list of changes over the Gen 2
revised first gear ratio,
different steering stem seal for lighter steering at low speed,
stiffer rear suspension for enhanced carrying capacity,
an adjustable vent in the windshield,
revised ABS programming to reduce the linked braking effect,
a new rear luggage base,
silver bezels on the analog dash meters,
elongated mid-pipe heat shield,
change of warning lamp color from red to yellow,
tank pad,
cushions on passenger pegs, and a more deeply sculpted seat
North American models now use same oxygen sensor as rest of world
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I know it's optional to turn it on I was more asking "was it an option to have it installed on the 2010 models or could you order the bike without it, same as ordering without KTRAC"
It is a standard, all 2nd gen years feature
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I believe because the changes are relatively small, and they are interchangeable with the existing 'version' of the vehicle. That is not the case with Gen. 1 / Gen. 2 bikes, the fairings are sufficiently different that they are not interchangeable or even able to be installed on the 'other' version of the bike.
But I think the whole concept of generations of the same vehicle is not defined by anyone anyway. I am speaking of changes w/in a series; outside the series, the manufacturer would specify a series change such as the C1, C2, C3, etc. series of Corvette. But the difference between, say, a 1964 Corvette coupe and a 1965 Corvette coupe would be more of a consumer- applied, generational change, or in this case, the 1964 would be singled out and referred to by its unique quality (the rear window is two pieces, hence 'split window fastback').
I think if we applied something similar to the software world, there would be a Gen. 1, Gen. 2 and Gen. 2.1 version of the Concours, the decimal indicating a relatively minor change w/in the larger, common series family.
And beyond all that, there have been some small changes to the line that do have occurred alone; the new front rotor carrier was changed in 2012 or 2013 (I think 2013).
Brian
1963 was the split window Corvette.
(http://cdn.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/05/2016-05-27_22-22-17.jpg)
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Yep, you are right and thanks for the correction.
My favorite Corvette, the '63- '67 fastbacks or coupes. Now nice examples becoming made of unaffordium.
Brian
1963 was the split window Corvette.
(http://cdn.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/05/2016-05-27_22-22-17.jpg)
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And beyond all that, there have been some small changes to the line that do have occurred alone; the new front rotor carrier was changed in 2012 or 2013 (I think 2013).
You keep spreading that rumor but my research hasn't fleshed that out. It would be easier if the disk didn't come assembled as one piece, but it is, so it's hard to determine. The parts fiche all show two different carriers in '11 and '12 and the odd one is labeled as '11. Just going by the pictures it appears that the '11 had a carrier very similar to the Versys carrier. In Johnson City I went down the rows in the parking lot looking at the different C14 model years assembled there and there was no rhyme or reason that I could see to the few that had the odd carriers. I suspect that there may have been a parts supplier problem and they just used the Versys carrier in '11 and the same during that time for warranty replacements. There is a new part number from '12 on, but the part itself looks identical to earlier years (except for '11). In Johnson city I think there was only one '11 model that had the different carrier, the rest had the earlier version.
What I'm saying is that you maybe correct, but I can't find definitive evidence of same.
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Oddly enough, it was walking down the rows of bikes in Johnson City that the different carriers presented themselves as obvious. In fact, I thought I was walking and talking about it with YOU but perhaps it was someone else. At any rate, the carriers make a very distinct change at one point and I am not even sure it was at a model year- break (could have been right in the middle of a model year run, such as the early '08's having the two pair of fairing screws, the shorter ones on the inside in the foam blocks, with later '08's omitting them).
I also verified this through the Kawasaki network but much like the KiPass return spring, they sort of 'slipped it in' without announcing it, no doubt because everyone with earlier models would want the new rotors. And the word I got was that if warranty replacing rotors on earlier bikes, they did in fact get the later style carrier.
And it seems they were finally successful in addressing the warped rotors problem, notice how the reports of the problem has virtually disappeared?
But you are absolutely right in that I cannot point to any reference, photo or data to show this change, so it could all be just a rumor, probably started by Kirby just to stir up trouble. You know how obnoxious the little rodent can be.....
Brian
You keep spreading that rumor but my research hasn't fleshed that out. It would be easier if the disk didn't come assembled as one piece, but it is, so it's hard to determine. The parts fiche all show two different carriers in '11 and '12 and the odd one is labeled as '11. Just going by the pictures it appears that the '11 had a carrier very similar to the Versys carrier. In Johnson City I went down the rows in the parking lot looking at the different C14 model years assembled there and there was no rhyme or reason that I could see to the few that had the odd carriers. I suspect that there may have been a parts supplier problem and they just used the Versys carrier in '11 and the same during that time for warranty replacements. There is a new part number from '12 on, but the part itself looks identical to earlier years (except for '11). In Johnson city I think there was only one '11 model that had the different carrier, the rest had the earlier version.
What I'm saying is that you maybe correct, but I can't find definitive evidence of same.
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Oddly enough, it was walking down the rows of bikes in Johnson City that the different carriers presented themselves as obvious. In fact, I thought I was walking and talking about it with YOU but perhaps it was someone else.
You are correct, sort of. It was me, but I remember it a little differently. I recall you looking at a few bikes in one area and seeing one different carrier and then going back in 'cause it was hot out there and you were convinced you were right. I continued down the line to the end of the row and then back up the other side towards the main entrance. I wasn't able to come to any conclusions based on what I was seeing.
I've been staring at these two photos ( '10 (https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200910/kawasaki-concours-14-9_1600x0w.jpg) and '14 (https://www.sixgearmoto.com/media/1514565399_c2.jpg) ) and I can now see the difference that I couldn't see before. I now think you are correct and I was wrong but I do think there are actually three carriers involved.
(1, # 41080-0102-5C )The original from '08 through '10, (2, # 41080-0564-11I ) one that looked like the one from the Versys used on some '11 and maybe some '12 models and certainly in some warranty replacements, (3, #41080-0570-5C ) a redesigned one that looks more like the original but is definitely different than the original and used on some'12s and all years after '12.
So I take it back, you are not spreading a rumor Brian. :thumbs: Well maybe about Kirby, but not about brakes.
What is amazing to me is that when the bikes were right in front of me I couldn't see the difference (between carriers 1 and 3) but with the pictures side by side it is much clearer. It might of had something to do with the change in wheel colors ('12 and up) messing with my vision??....nah ..I'm just blind I guess. :-[
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What is amazing to me is that when the bikes were right in front of me I couldn't see the difference (between carriers 1 and 3) but with the pictures side by side it is much clearer.
I still don't :( Not sure what I am looking for, though...
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Yeah, it was hot. Remember that guy welding, off to the side, without any source of heat? He was just rubbing the stick in the gap and it was melting..... And remember those big buckets of "ice water" in the lobby actually had tropical fish swimming in them?
There may well have been three or even more rotor types over the production run of the C-14. There was also a very significant brake pad change in 2010. All efforts to stop the rotors from warping. But the reason I believe there were two main rotor carrier types was seeing both on a dealer's floor. That made me question it and that got the story about the change that was not announced.
And there is nothing wrong with starting a rumor as long as it is a good rumor. And the C-14 rotor carrier would be pretty lame IMO. A good rumor was the one where the gov't provided those heavily discounted conversion boxes through PBS so one could still use an analog TV when the broadcasts went over to digital a few years ago..... and someone (I think it was Kirby >:( ) started the rumor that the whole thing was an elaborate scheme to cover up the fact that those boxes were ALSO cameras used by the gov't to spy on the public. That was a good rumor IMO. I even.... er, I mean Kirby even thought of dressing it up by tieing it to the guy from the grassy knoll but that might have been too much- that guy is probably too old now to design sophisticated electronic devices.
Brian
You are correct, sort of. It was me, but I remember it a little differently. I recall you looking at a few bikes in one area and seeing one different carrier and then going back in 'cause it was hot out there and you were convinced you were right. I continued down the line to the end of the row and then back up the other side towards the main entrance. I wasn't able to come to any conclusions based on what I was seeing.
I've been staring at these two photos ( '10 (https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200910/kawasaki-concours-14-9_1600x0w.jpg) and '14 (https://www.sixgearmoto.com/media/1514565399_c2.jpg) ) and I can now see the difference that I couldn't see before. I now think you are correct and I was wrong but I do think there are actually three carriers involved.
(1, # 41080-0102-5C )The original from '08 through '10, (2, # 41080-0564-11I ) one that looked like the one from the Versys used on some '11 and maybe some '12 models and certainly in some warranty replacements, (3, #41080-0570-5C ) a redesigned one that looks more like the original but is definitely different than the original and used on some'12s and all years after '12.
So I take it back, you are not spreading a rumor Brian. :thumbs: Well maybe about Kirby, but not about brakes.
What is amazing to me is that when the bikes were right in front of me I couldn't see the difference (between carriers 1 and 3) but with the pictures side by side it is much clearer. It might of had something to do with the change in wheel colors ('12 and up) messing with my vision??....nah ..I'm just blind I guess. :-[
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I still don't :( Not sure what I am looking for, though...
Yeah, I think that's why I was having such a problem in the parking lot that afternoon.
I hope these will help. Gleaned from the internet and Ron Ayers website. Hopefully you'll see what I do, the updated carrier is smaller in diameter than the original one and the inward extending tabs from the disk to the buttons are correspondingly longer on the updated design. I was unable to find a photo of a C14 with what I refer to as the Versys style carrier. I did find a fiche drawing of it (labeled '11).
I don't think mama Kaw updated the fiche drawings of the updated design as it looks identical to me between the '10 and the '14. In the photos I think the difference is more noticeable on the right side as the speed sensor ring helps to emphasize the difference in diameter of the carrier.
right side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9K3v7vL/0/a1d9ef52/M/i-9K3v7vL-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9K3v7vL/0/a1d9ef52/O/i-9K3v7vL.jpg)
left side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QRS5p5J/0/2c482fbf/M/i-QRS5p5J-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QRS5p5J/0/2c482fbf/O/i-QRS5p5J.jpg)
fiche:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JwtjGxQ/0/8178b020/M/i-JwtjGxQ-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JwtjGxQ/0/8178b020/O/i-JwtjGxQ.jpg)
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Marty are you snowed in?
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The photos are very good but the change in distance, angle and perspective make it tough to see a clear difference, at least to my eyes. Also, both sets of photos you show <seem> to indicate a wider mounting tab on the rotors in addition to possible differences in the rotor carriers. This is the first I have seen regarding changes in the rotors themselves rather than just the rotor carriers.
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The thing I remember about seeing the differences between the two different style rotor carriers is how they blocked the light coming through them rather than the actual shape or size of the legs of the actual carriers. Sort of like one appeared 'denser' than the other, blocking more light.
What we really need in someone to take a handful of photos of various C-14's at a gathering, with the photographer trying to concentrate on getting the same distance and perspective on each photo.
I also looked at the parts fiche from various years and while it is tough or impossible to tell that the later carriers are different, some photos show a distinct 2010 model year type that I do not remember ever seeing, on any C-14. ?
At any rate, you have peaked my curiosity a little bit so I think I will dig around a little bit on this issue. Besides, time to look at the 2018's on the dealer's floor anyway. ::)
Brian
Yeah, I think that's why I was having such a problem in the parking lot that afternoon.
I hope these will help. Gleaned from the internet and Ron Ayers website. Hopefully you'll see what I do, the updated carrier is smaller in diameter than the original one and the inward extending tabs from the disk to the buttons are correspondingly longer on the updated design. I was unable to find a photo of a C14 with what I refer to as the Versys style carrier. I did find a fiche drawing of it (labeled '11).
I don't think mama Kaw updated the fiche drawings of the updated design as it looks identical to me between the '10 and the '14. In the photos I think the difference is more noticeable on the right side as the speed sensor ring helps to emphasize the difference in diameter of the carrier.
right side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9K3v7vL/0/a1d9ef52/M/i-9K3v7vL-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9K3v7vL/0/a1d9ef52/O/i-9K3v7vL.jpg)
left side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QRS5p5J/0/2c482fbf/M/i-QRS5p5J-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QRS5p5J/0/2c482fbf/O/i-QRS5p5J.jpg)
fiche:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JwtjGxQ/0/8178b020/M/i-JwtjGxQ-M.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JwtjGxQ/0/8178b020/O/i-JwtjGxQ.jpg)
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This carrier thing is interesting enough to be in a different thread. I do think I see the difference, the metal in the "triangles" is a little less wide in one than the other.
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I promise you Farty, in 2010 they made some Connies with no ABS, no linked brakes and no TC. Neptune Blue no less.
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Marty are you snowed in?
;D ;D
Kind of rained in at the moment. Flash flood warnings etc.
I promise you Farty, in 2010 they made some Connies with no ABS, no linked brakes and no TC. Neptune Blue no less.
Thanks Jimmy', I was 99.9 percent certain of that, but others needed convincing about the TC. You maybe the only non-ABS Gen II owner on this forum, until we hear otherwise you are our designated non-ABS GenII expert. So could you verify that you have two fuel maps (regular {or flashed} and the so called ECO mode or as max' likes to remind us "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode") and a memory position windshield (I'm sure you do, but I'm not the expert here, you are).
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That is interesting because I thought the Gen.2 models were introduced with T/C as a standard part, not an optional accessory.
So the standard equipment of both ABS as well as T/C started with the 2011 model?
Brian
I promise you Farty, in 2010 they made some Connies with no ABS, no linked brakes and no TC. Neptune Blue no less.
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I have actually seen 2010, Gen. 2 C-14's without ABS so I know they are not leprechauns or unicorns. :-) But I thought traction control was introduced and was standard (read: no choice) on all Gen. 2 bikes, starting in 2010. ?? But if someone says that they have a 2010 w/out T/C then obviously my thought was not correct. Interesting. I remember it being a 'bid deal' when it was introduced, and Kawasaki set up a demo with a 2010 w/ T/C and outriggers so it could not fall over, along with a water- covered plastic sheet that some press, and Fred Harmon, as I remember, could ride the test bike across; the results were that no one could ride the bike with the T/C disengaged but all could ride it, easily, with the T/C engaged.
Anyway, so was it 2011 when T/C as well as ABS became standard equipment on the C-14?
BTW- I appreciate the input. The only way I know to end ignorance is to shed light and facts on any issue and I would rather be 'correct' than 'right'. ;) ;D
Brian
;D ;D
Kind of rained in at the moment. Flash flood warnings etc.
Thanks Jimmy', I was 99.9 percent certain of that, but others needed convincing about the TC. You maybe the only non-ABS Gen II owner on this forum, until we hear otherwise you are our designated non-ABS GenII expert. So could you verify that you have two fuel maps (regular {or flashed} and the so called ECO mode or as max' likes to remind us "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode") and a memory position windshield (I'm sure you do, but I'm not the expert here, you are).
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;D ;D
Kind of rained in at the moment. Flash flood warnings etc.
Thanks Jimmy', I was 99.9 percent certain of that, but others needed convincing about the TC. You maybe the only non-ABS Gen II owner on this forum, until we hear otherwise you are our designated non-ABS GenII expert. So could you verify that you have two fuel maps (regular {or flashed} and the so called ECO mode or as max' likes to remind us "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode") and a memory position windshield (I'm sure you do, but I'm not the expert here, you are).
My superior gen 1 '08 remembers exactly where the windshield is supposed to be.
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My superior gen 1 '08 remembers exactly where the windshield is supposed to be.
Apparently, always "down full", 'cause you ain't got none choice on that "superior" gen 1 :)
Even though I have windscreen memory (gen 2), I don't use it, since I generally want to start off with it all the way down, anyway. I could see how it would be a useful feature, however.
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Anyway, so was it 2011 when T/C as well as ABS became standard equipment on the C-14?
Apparently, yep.
In 2010 ABS/LB/TC was a single, optional package.
So they had a custom handlebar control for just that year... that is easy. But what about the dash? So on the 2010 non-ABS they used the 2009 dash plastics and yet upgraded the background lighting to white? And on the 2010 ABS they used a newly designed dash plastics? Seems so odd. I would have expected it to be the new dash, regardless, complete with the ABS and TC lights, but just never used. However, Jimmymac indicates he doesn't even have the unused lamps on his non-ABS 2010 dash. Strange!
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Apparently, always "down full", 'cause you ain't got none choice on that "superior" gen 1 :)
Even though I have windscreen memory (gen 2), I don't use it, since I generally want to start off with it all the way down, anyway. I could see how it would be a useful feature, however.
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It stays remains in the current position when you shut down.
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It stays remains in the current position when you shut down.
The memory function of the gen2 will lower the screen all the way when the ignition is turned off (for storage, cover, protection/etc), then return it to a user-defined position preset when the bike is started again.
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The memory function of the gen2 will lower the screen all the way when the ignition is turned off (for storage, cover, protection/etc), then return it to a user-defined position preset when the bike is started again.
Why ?
What sort of place are you storing your bike that the screen even being in the fully up position is going to cause a problem?
If it is then unless you're a person of seriously diminished stature you're not going to be able to walk in there yourself!!
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The memory function of the gen2 will lower the screen all the way when the ignition is turned off (for storage, cover, protection/etc), then return it to a user-defined position preset when the bike is started again.
Seems like a bit of fluff. "look Ma....no hands."
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Why ?
What sort of place are you storing your bike that the screen even being in the fully up position is going to cause a problem?
If it is then unless you're a person of seriously diminished stature you're not going to be able to walk in there yourself!!
The only thing I can think of is putting it under a bike cover. ...but so what? Then you spend, literally, 4 seconds lowering the screen to it's lowest position before shutting the bike off. :P
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Why ? What sort of place are you storing your bike that the screen even being in the fully up position is going to cause a problem?
Obviously you have a garage or something. Many of us don't. I *HAVE* to lower my screen every time to fit it in the Cycle Shell. And lowering it also protects it more, too.
Seems like a bit of fluff. "look Ma....no hands."
Exactly. So while it going down is convenient, I don't need the going up memory function.
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So they had a custom handlebar control for just that year... that is easy. But what about the dash? So on the 2010 non-ABS they used the 2009 dash plastics and yet upgraded the background lighting to white? And on the 2010 ABS they used a newly designed dash plastics? Seems so odd. I would have expected it to be the new dash, regardless, complete with the ABS and TC lights, but just never used. However, Jimmymac indicates he doesn't even have the unused lamps on his non-ABS 2010 dash. Strange!
I think the new meters on the both the '10 models had to do with not only the backlight color change but also to function with the (formerly flash to pass) new handlebar meter button on the left bar. It probably needed a new wire in the meter connector.
'08 - '09 non ABS meter 28011-0080
'08 - '09 ABS meter 28011-0079 (ABS light in Tach)
'10 - non ABS meter 28011-0163 (white backlight, meter button function)
'10 ABS meter 28011-0162 (white backlight, meter button function, ABS light and TC light in Tach)
'11 - '14 meter 28011-0194 (changes?)
'15- '18 meter 28011-0635 (silver trim, warning light changed from red to yellow)
I'm not sure why they didn't use the '10 ABS meter in the '11-'14 C14s, was there a change there I'm not aware of?
(yes pinkie, it's still raining here.)
BTW- I appreciate the input. The only way I know to end ignorance is to shed light and facts on any issue and I would rather be 'correct' than 'right'. ;) ;D
I fully 100% agree with that statement. I'm wrong a lot, that's when I learn it seems. I hate to think how dumb I'd be if I was right all the time.
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:( Here too.
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Obviously you have a garage or something. Many of us don't. I *HAVE* to lower my screen every time to fit it in the Cycle Shell. And lowering it also protects it more, too.
Exactly. So while it going down is convenient, I don't need the going up memory function.
Nope, bike lives outside in the Great British Weather :)
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:( Here too.
Wow, when you said Southern Ill, you meant way southern Ill.
Are you anywhere near those roads (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9855179,-89.15238,4017m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en&authuser=0) that looks like just for S & Gs they routed it from KY then maybe a 3/4 mile in ILL and then off to MO.? I always thought that section might be a great addition to one of the 48 state routes but from what I can find none of the shortest ones use it.
Oh, I know..I'm off topic again. Sorry (not really (http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/smiley-pinocchio-liar.gif)).
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Wow, when you said Southern Ill, you meant way southern Ill.
Are you anywhere near those roads (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9855179,-89.15238,4017m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en&authuser=0) that looks like just for S & Gs they routed it from KY then maybe a 3/4 mile in ILL and then off to MO.? I always thought that section might be a great addition to one of the 48 state routes but from what I can find none of the shortest ones use it.
Oh, I know..I'm off topic again. Sorry (not really (http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/smiley-pinocchio-liar.gif)).
Cairo and the confluence is about 60 miles south. The the Kentucky bridge is important in that the next crossing into the state is 1 1/2 hours east at Paducah. Back in the day off steamboats, Cairo was a happening city. It was also a gateway on the Underground Railroad. Much history in the area. Across the KY bridge in Wickliffe is a Native American archeological area.
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Cairo and the confluence is about 60 miles south. The the Kentucky bridge is important in that the next crossing into the state is 1 1/2 hours east at Paducah. Back in the day off steamboats, Cairo was a happening city. It was also a gateway on the Underground Railroad. Much history in the area. Across the KY bridge in Wickliffe is a Native American archeological area.
So you are about an hour and a half from this guy then. (See below)
I grew up in Mason County (Central IL). Nothing happening there unless you are a farmer! I got out first chance I had. My family is all still in the area tho.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pekz2IA.jpg)
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Yep. McLean county years ago before I moved far enough south to find trees again. Played around in south Pekin a bit in my much younger days. Had an uncle that lived in Goofy Ridge.
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Yep. McLean county years ago before I moved far enough south to find trees again. Played around in south Pekin a bit in my much younger days. Had an uncle that lived in Goofy Ridge.
I had some friends that lived in Goofy Ridge. Actually, I think my parents were renting a place there when I was born. It was either there or San Jose. And for those of you not from the area, the "J" in Jose sounds like a J, not an H.
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I had some friends that lived in Goofy Ridge. Actually, I think my parents were renting a place there when I was born. It was either there or San Jose. And for those of you not from the area, the "J" in Jose sounds like a J, not an H.
:rotflmao: There is no H in Jesus either.
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;D ;D
Kind of rained in at the moment. Flash flood warnings etc.
Thanks Jimmy', I was 99.9 percent certain of that, but others needed convincing about the TC. You maybe the only non-ABS Gen II owner on this forum, until we hear otherwise you are our designated non-ABS GenII expert. So could you verify that you have two fuel maps (regular {or flashed} and the so called ECO mode or as max' likes to remind us "Fuel Economy Assistance Mode") and a memory position windshield (I'm sure you do, but I'm not the expert here, you are).
Yes, two maps and the eco mode. Shield returns when bike is shut off.