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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: oldsmoboat on May 29, 2011, 02:24:33 PM
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Wow, just wow.
Pickup driver tries to kill motorcyclist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbTZkZTYkaM#)
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:o :nuts:
Wow indeed, what an @sshole, look out for cagers brutha's... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/mad.gif)
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sure would have liked to see the outcome of the police report.....likely the riders got sited for speed, the lead rider got sited for illegal pass on double yellow, and bubba got an atta-boy for trying to kill someone.....disgusting.
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What a JERK!!!!!!
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No kidding. The a-hole was certainly hellbent on killing someone the way he was driving.
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Here's one we've been discussing locally. Not sure if it has been posted here elsewhere yet...
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957)
Also, I think this is related to the story posted on this thread. I'm bandwidth limited, so I haven't viewed the video. If the incident above involved a red pickup...
Posted by blind io:
I just found out the fate of the driver of the red pickup. In another forum i found this:
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The pickup driver was arrested for reckless driving, DUI and the DA is using the video to consider reckless endangerment and possibly attempted murder charges. If convicted of all charges the pickup driver could get up to 24 years in jail. That's unlikely but he will likely see a felony conviction and jail time for his life threatening antics.
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At first I thought the title would be a little overstated.
But I think killing the motorcyclist was exactly what this SOB was attempting to do.
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From the rider filming:
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3554243#post3554243 (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3554243#post3554243)
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Here's one we've been discussing locally. Not sure if it has been posted here elsewhere yet...
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957)
Also, I think this is related to the story posted on this thread. I'm bandwidth limited, so I haven't viewed the video. If the incident above involved a red pickup...
Posted by blind io:
I just found out the fate of the driver of the red pickup. In another forum i found this:
Quote:
The pickup driver was arrested for reckless driving, DUI and the DA is using the video to consider reckless endangerment and possibly attempted murder charges. If convicted of all charges the pickup driver could get up to 24 years in jail. That's unlikely but he will likely see a felony conviction and jail time for his life threatening antics.
Link to the quoted statement?
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sure would have liked to see the outcome of the police report.....likely the riders got sited for speed, the lead rider got sited for illegal pass on double yellow, and bubba got an atta-boy for trying to kill someone.....disgusting.
More like all three got busted... and they all should. While the truck driver was wrong, so were the squids flying past farmhouses at a high rate of speed...
"#5 We were not speeding in excess.55mph limit.Pace was maybe 50-65 from highest to lowest speeds."
Riiiight...
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Posted by blind io:
I just found out the fate of the driver of the red pickup. In another forum i found this:
Quote:
The pickup driver was arrested for reckless driving, DUI and the DA is using the video to consider reckless endangerment and possibly attempted murder charges. If convicted of all charges the pickup driver could get up to 24 years in jail. That's unlikely but he will likely see a felony conviction and jail time for his life threatening antics.
Link to the quoted statement?
I'll ask. No idea where blind io found it. He just said he found it on one of the other forums he frequents.
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Here's one we've been discussing locally. Not sure if it has been posted here elsewhere yet...
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110513/NEWS03/110519957)
Also, I think this is related to the story posted on this thread. I'm bandwidth limited, so I haven't viewed the video. If the incident above involved a red pickup...
totally different but similar incident...sad.
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More like all three got busted... and they all should. While the truck driver was wrong, so were the squids flying past farmhouses at a high rate of speed...
"#5 We were not speeding in excess.55mph limit.Pace was maybe 50-65 from highest to lowest speeds."
Riiiight...
please ... don't roll your eyes, and condone attempted murder because of a person wanting to ride faster than some guy in a truck....who has no regard for life
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Times & circumstances change. Rednecks are universal.
Had a similar incident in rural arkansas years ago. I got really mad, and my older/wiser companion calmed me down saying:
" look dumbass, that rednecks brother in law is likely the sheriff and his grandaddy's the judge. This is his county - and you're some city punk dressed in a leather suit - where do you think that's gonna go, huh?....Squeal boy, squeal lika pig..."
So, I pulled out a bottle and drank a nice big swig of "Shut the @#$@#$ Up"....and went on about my business.
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One of our local guys posted up this quote by no less a writer than Hunter S Thompson, who wrote:
For a lot of reasons that are often contradictory, the sight and sound of a man on a motorcycle has an unpleasant effect on the vast majority of Americans who drive cars. At one point... a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune did a long article on the motorcycle scene and decided in the course of his research that "there is something about the sight of a passing motorcyclist that tempts many automobile drivers to commit murder."
Nearly everyone who has ridden a bike for any length of time will agree. The highways are crowded with people who drive as if their sole purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong ever done them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is their own fear of death, jail and lawsuits ... which are much less likely if they can find a motorcycle to challenge, instead of another two-thousand-pound car or a concrete abutment. A motorcyclist has to drive as if everybody else on the road is out to kill him. A few of them are, and many of those who aren't are just as dangerous, because the only thing that can alter their careless, ingrained driving habits is a threat of punishment, either legal or physical, and there is nothing about a motorcycle to threaten any man in a car. A bike is totally vulnerable; its only defense is maneuverability, and every accident situation is potentially fatal, especially on a freeway, where there is no room to fall without being run over almost instantly. _______________
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Very scary to watch that guy try and take two motorcyclists out. The video shows clear intent to do harm and kill. I would really like to know what the outcome was.
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" look dumbass, that rednecks brother in law is likely the sheriff and his grandaddy's the judge. This is his county - and you're some city punk dressed in a leather suit - where do you think that's gonna go, huh?....Squeal boy, squeal lika pig..."
Considering the fact that I teach children of Bracken County's finest, this is probably very, very true.
Shut up and get out of the neighborhood, you don't know who he knows.
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An update I found on another site, from yet another site:
http://www.kentucky-sportbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4049&p=49485#post49485 (http://www.kentucky-sportbikes.com/showthread.php?t=4049&p=49485#post49485)
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All we can do here is: Try to stay or get as far away as we can from this kind of person. I condone a real good asskicking, but all the wounds would heal, but an attempted murder or veh. homicide charge will last a lifetime.
I would gladly pay the fine for a double yellow pass, or even speeding, but I would also expect the locals would follow up with the above charges for our breeding redneck.
I would also like to bring out my point at intervention in the breeding population of some counties and states. Oh well, another thread.
Just try to be as safe as possible, and remember, we are all invisible when we are out on our toys. And stay away from some humans.
Ride safe all.
Greg
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I more than likely would've brandished my sidearm in that situation.
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please ... don't roll your eyes, and condone attempted murder because of a person wanting to ride faster than some guy in a truck....who has no regard for life
I don't see where I condoned anything... The guy in the truck needs some serious jail time, but the guys on the bikes are by no means innocent...
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I more than likely would've brandished my sidearm in that situation.
Unwise. He has a much more stable firing platform, you need both hands to control your bike, and whatever fire power you may have in the tankbag, Bubba's got more in the glove box, under the seat, and hanging on the rack in the window.
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I don't see where I condoned anything... The guy in the truck needs some serious jail time, but the guys on the bikes are by no means innocent...
So......you have never passed on a double yellow? ;) I had a very similar situation happen to me here in Ohio, a good ole boy didnt like me passing his big jackep up 4x4 "wasnt a bad pass either". That is when I lift up my jacket and show them my holstered XD, their mood tends to change.
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So......you have never passed on a double yellow? ;) I had a very similar situation happen to me here in Ohio, a good ole boy didnt like me passing his big jackep up 4x4 "wasnt a bad pass either". That is when I lift up my jacket and show them my holstered XD, their mood tends to change.
All I can say to this post is...WOW. People like you are what gives gun owners and motorcyclists a bad rap. You run around "brandishing" your weapon, you are the one asking for a beat down, arrest or bullet to the head. I also have a CC, but you will not see my weapon before you see the muzzle flash. To each his own G!
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All I can say to this post is...WOW. People like you are what gives gun owners and motorcyclists a bad rap. You run around "brandishing" your weapon, you are the one asking for a beat down, arrest or bullet to the head. I also have a CC, but you will not see my weapon before you see the muzzle flash. To each his own G!
Yeah your a funny guy.........................you are also a saint, and you are also "one of those people" that claim they would only pull their gun if they are gonna shoot it "horsecrap". I am not brandishing my weapon, OHIO has open carry as well and I do occasionly open carry on my motorcycles "mostly CC". Never said I was gonna pull my gun out now did I, and I seriously doubt that an idiot who is looking to cause you harm is gonna call the police on you. ::) I will gladly take my chances with an asshat who is looking to harm me, and I will also take any possible repercussions with law enforcement should it warrant it. So yes.........I reckon I am saying that I would for sure show and possibly even brandish my weapon, if it were to keep me from getting hurt or killed. So now how about you explain to me, how I give motorcyclists a bad rap?
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Yup, passing on a double yellow and flashing a holstered weapon gives a real nice impression. And yes, I have taken many years of martial arts and CQC and will not EVER "flash" my weapon in an effort to scare someone, especially while piloting a motorcycle. I`m done with you. Like I said to each his own and I do classify your behavior as asshattery. I challenge you to post this in the range section and see what kind of response you get????
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asshattery
Word of the day?? ???
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c152/MacDaddy15213/asshat.jpg)
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Could very well be......
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I love that word! How else does one describe the behavior of an asshat???? I cannot however take credit. I saw it on a football discussion forum and adopted it into my vocab.
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Yup, passing on a double yellow and flashing a holstered weapon gives a real nice impression. And yes, I have taken many years of martial arts and CQC and will not EVER "flash" my weapon in an effort to scare someone, especially while piloting a motorcycle. I`m done with you. Like I said to each his own and I do classify your behavior as asshattery. I challenge you to post this in the range section and see what kind of response you get????
I don't see what Pokey posted as trying to "scare someone". He is meeting a threat with a visual display of his willingness to defend himself. I've stopped threats without drawing my weapon on several occasions in the same manner. (Though I've been fortunate to never have needed to do it while riding.)
Your claim that you'd only remove your weapon from the holster if you were going to shoot could be looked on by a prosecutor (or a defense attorney - depending on how the situation ended) as premeditation for murder. Probably something you should reconsider posting in a public forum.
NOTE: Just to clarify - Some states consider showing a concealed weapon, even still in its holster, to be "brandishing."
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Yup, passing on a double yellow and flashing a holstered weapon gives a real nice impression. And yes, I have taken many years of martial arts and CQC and will not EVER "flash" my weapon in an effort to scare someone, especially while piloting a motorcycle. I`m done with you. Like I said to each his own and I do classify your behavior as asshattery. I challenge you to post this in the range section and see what kind of response you get? ???
I think I will do just that..............and I love the word "asshattery". :thumbs: I sure would love to see how you would react if put into a situation like that "I have" and no I didnt pass the asshattery redneck in the 4x4 on a double yellow. No martial arts in the world is gonna save you from a person trying to kill you in a vehicle, and especially if they have a gun. Fight fire with fire and see who decides to back down. So.........your saying that you have never passed on a double yellow "ever"? ;)
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I don't see what Pokey posted as trying to "scare someone". He is meeting a threat with a visual display of his willingness to defend himself. I've stopped threats without drawing my weapon on several occasions in the same manner. (Though I've been fortunate to never have needed to do it while riding.)
Your claim that you'd only remove your weapon from the holster if you were going to shoot could be looked on by a prosecutor (or a defense attorney - depending on how the situation ended) as premeditation for murder. Probably something you should reconsider posting in a public forum.
NOTE: Just to clarify - Some states consider showing a concealed weapon, even still in its holster, to be "brandishing."
Yup...............and that is a very controversial and somewhat gray area at that. Hence if I always were to ride open carry, then I would be breaking no laws.....and the chance for asshattery may not escalate further. And thank you for trying to see my point, the best rule of thumb is to try and not put yourself into a bad situation. Sometimes it takes practically nothing to set a person off, you gotta have an equalizer with you sometimes. I will protect myself and family at all costs, it is just ashamed that our judicial system is extremely flawed at times.
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I personally see nothing wrong with Pokey's thoughts. I see it as if it may let the driver know that his continued aggressions will not go unmet. That just may defuse the situation. Of course there is always the chance of it escalating it as well. If I thought that showing an aggressive driver that I do have my carry weapon, might convince him to back it down. Well then I might do just that. The idea of a carry weapon is to protect yourself. If showing it as your form of protection is your first step in this situation, then so be it! This guy was IMO a total threat to these riders lives.
This person obviously wasn't content on just trying to run the motorcycles off the road or under his truck. He also decided to chase them down as well. So unless the motorcyclist's were prepaired to ride at extremely fast speeds to get away from him, which that in itself can be very dangerous. Nothing was going to change it other than them stopping at the stop sign and confronting him, or showing that you do have a defence. It might keep him from getting out of his truck with a weapon at said stop sign. That fact that it was all on camera from the rear bike, just bolsters the riders defence in justifiably showing the weapon in an attempt to protect themselves from the aggressor! Of course this is just my opinion.