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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: 238mph on September 21, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
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Ok, I thought I'd share something that I learned about saddle bags...
We all know how easy the orange locking jaw snaps off... and the only way to fix this is to order another entire lock system.
A few things... the left and right are interchangeable... so when I was on eBay I found a brand new right one for $120... of course, I needed the left.
Isn't that always the case... lol Brand new from Kawi they quoted me $325!!!!
So, I saw it included a new key and lock. Bummer, I thought, now I need to carry 2 keys.
Well, the new lock came and the key and tumbler were separate. That's how new ones come from Kawasaki.
I was about to install the new tumbler into the lock when I decided to take my time (rare case, right?) and analyze how it's made.
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By looking at the tumbler, I realized the very last tumbler on the keylock is the one that holds the entire tumbler in the lock. And that if I could get the old tumbler out of the old
lock, I could re-install it into the new lockset and retain using the single original key.
So I tore the old unit apart....
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Once you get the plastic cover off, you have to bend down a large piece of metal... to get to the key set. It's very soft and easy to do...
Then grab the keyset with your pliers and snap it off...
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Once you snap it off, turn it over and you will see the bottom of the tumbler.
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Take a small flat blade screwdriver and push the bottom tumbler in while pushing the lockset out of the lock assembly. This is where humans need 3 hands... it took me 10 min to do this.
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Once you have this original tumbler out, the next step is CRITICAL... stop and look very carefully at the lock hole that the tumbler goes into....
There is one side of the hole that has a taper and a wider slot for the tumbler to go in... if you force it into the lock hole the wrong way you will mess up the whole thing.
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Now if you put a right side lock into a left side bag or vice versa, here's what will happen. The locks won't be on the same end of the bags... to me, I didn't care.
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Hope this helps some of you guys on here...
PS THE ONLY reason I came back on here was due to Maxtog helping me greatly, and I wanted to hang with him and some of the other guys that welcomed me. If other users plan on being ugly,
I'll will simply ask a mod to block them from my posts.
To Maxtog, the ZX-14 tank fit perfectly, as did the ZX-14 seat. The ZX-14 tail also fits with just a tad of trimming once I removed the passenger grab handles. Thanks to you and I am customizing my bike to work for me and my riding style. Can't wait for the CopperDawg Sport Screen to arrive.
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Good info.
I did something similar to this, once, under the direction of a friend. It wasn't too hard- I think it was a simple 4 cyl lock and each pin had only one of 3 sizes. Just a matter of having enough pins (top and bottom) to match the desired key (and without losing any of the tiny springs while working on it.
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Oh hey Maxtog... I posted this because of all the help you gave me... 8)
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The ZX-14 tail also fits with just a tad of trimming once I removed the passenger grab handles.
Please, man, please! put pics... I really want to see what it looks like :)
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Thanks!
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You may want to check out these two threads, you're reinventing the wheel...
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13325.msg164074#msg164074 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13325.msg164074#msg164074)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=14862.msg182508#msg182508 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=14862.msg182508#msg182508)
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the ZX-14 tank fit perfectly, as did the ZX-14 seat. The ZX-14 tail also fits with just a tad of trimming once I removed the passenger grab handles.
That is amazing, glad it is coming along. You will need to come up with a name for this hybrid at some point, maybe a Zoncours, or a CZ-14 or something :)
You have a lot more energy than I do. To think that I am too lazy to finish the few comparatively simple mods I have left I want to do. I can't even blame age, since you are a lot older than I am!
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Just as an aside, I have not heard of any orange locking tabs snapping off? This was a recall by Kawasaki where the red locking tabs, that did break, were replaced by the orange ones which are much stronger and have not failed to the best of my knowledge.
I was involved in a minor accident a short time ago where I was struck mainly in the left saddlebag, hard enough to knock the [latched and locked] bag off the bike..... and the latch did not break, bend or fail in any way.
Could you perhaps be mixing up the older saddlebag latches with the newer ones?
Brian
Ok, I thought I'd share something that I learned about saddle bags...
We all know how easy the orange locking jaw snaps off... and the only way to fix this is to order another entire lock system.
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Thanks for the links Conrad, but his method was much harder than mine... no special tools need to be fabricated and no drilling by my method. Pretty simple actually.
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That is amazing, glad it is coming along. You will need to come up with a name for this hybrid at some point, maybe a Zoncours, or a CZ-14 or something :)
You have a lot more energy than I do. To think that I am too lazy to finish the few comparatively simple mods I have left I want to do. I can't even blame age, since you are a lot older than I am!
The ZX has a much more narrow tail with the rear brake light built in... I'd like to run that as well but the subframe gets different back there, so I need to either fabricate a light system to go into
the rear of the GTR tail, or find another bike that has something that might easily fit in there... I'm still undecided if I will retain the GTR mirrors or run ZX, but I see no reason the bike won't do at least 190mph. Might need some spray if it won't do it naturally.... Waiting on the Speed Screen to paint the rest of the bike. Muzzy exhaust should be in this week. I'll post pics once it's painted.
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For all the rest of your that were supportive to a new guy, I say thanks. Let's get to building some cool sheeeit!!!! And ride. Oh, sorry so many of you live up in the tundra, you can always trailer your machines down to Arizona and ride here... ;D Love to show any guys coming this way great roads, ghost towns, etc... 8)
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so I need to either fabricate a light system to go into the rear of the GTR tail
http://japan.webike.net/products/9523173.html (http://japan.webike.net/products/9523173.html)
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:popcorn:
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AGAIN?
come on guys, why don't y'all just lay 'em on the table and measure. Jim will be here soon and start deleting again. I, for one, try to learn something new from every thread, and this mess doesn't add to anything. Feels like troll work not member participation.
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>:(
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Has anyone ever heard of an orange C-14 bag latch snapping off? This was a recall item that was address and I am not aware of ANY orange latches breaking. Anyone?
I suggest everyone do his / her own research on this matter because I believe this is incorrect information.
Brian
Ok, I thought I'd share something that I learned about saddle bags...
We all know how easy the orange locking jaw snaps off... and the only way to fix this is to order another entire lock system.
<snip>
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Most of the cases simply bounce off the bike regardless of color of latch, but I haven't heard of an orange latch breaking.
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Well, I do not think I would say most C-14 cases bounce off the bikes. But the ones that do do not seem to be related to the latches in any way, just excessive slop in the entire mounting (Easy Boys!) system. If the system is shimmed it seems to eliminate all saddlebag problems on this bike.
Brian
Most of the cases simply bounce off the bike regardless of color of latch, but I haven't heard of an orange latch breaking.
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They shouldn't have to be shimmed, pinned, or require the addition of Zbars to assure the rider that they'll (side cases) stay on the bike and not act like a depth charge. This is a sore point with me and Kwakers.
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Agreed. But that is not the situation we have nor is it likely to be fixed at the manufacturer's level, which leaves us all do deal with this problem on our own. Not the ideal situation but it is an imperfect world.
But in any event, the point of my posting in this thread was to address the "fact" that 'we all know' how easily the orange saddlebag latches break. I have never heard of one breaking yet.
Brian
They shouldn't have to be shimmed, pinned, or require the addition of Zbars to assure the rider that they'll (side cases) stay on the bike and not act like a depth charge. This is a sore point with me and Kwakers.
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http://japan.webike.net/products/9523173.html (http://japan.webike.net/products/9523173.html)
Wow and, expensive!!
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Agreed. But that is not the situation we have nor is it likely to be fixed at the manufacturer's level, which leaves us all do deal with this problem on our own. Not the ideal situation but it is an imperfect world.
But in any event, the point of my posting in this thread was to address the "fact" that 'we all know' how easily the orange saddlebag latches break. I have never heard of one breaking yet.
Brian
Nope, so far, to date; and you guys know me on calling b/s on anyone at the drop of a hat, being the COG Tech Editor when this bike was introduced, I have NEVER heard of an orange latch breaking... that said, and being the harbinger of precluding bag lossage, I developed, tested, and posted the pinning method.
Do it or not, I could care less... my bags stay on, likely would have even not pinned, because I could never dislodge them by hand once retrofitted with the Kaw recall latches.... ( oh, for those newbies, I was on the phone with the people at Kaw in Cali, after the third bag ejection, and WAS the one forcing the recall, and retrofit... little known fact... I have to thank them, Nasa corp., for their rapid deployment recall... nuff said, my arms don't reach the "pat here point" on my back any longer)
As for new discoveries? Meh, nothing new, as posted above about locks.
Glad to see ya back 238....good luck with making a ZG into a ZX.
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Agreed. But that is not the situation we have nor is it likely to be fixed at the manufacturer's level, which leaves us all do deal with this problem on our own. Not the ideal situation but it is an imperfect world.
But in any event, the point of my posting in this thread was to address the "fact" that 'we all know' how easily the orange saddlebag latches break. I have never heard of one breaking yet.
Brian
Agreed.
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Nope, so far, to date; and you guys know me on calling b/s on anyone at the drop of a hat, being the COG Tech Editor when this bike was introduced, I have NEVER heard of an orange lath breaking... that said, and being the harbinger of precluding bag lossage, I developed, tested, and posted the pinning method.
Do it or not, I could care less... my bags stay on, likely would have even not pinned, because I could never dislodge them by hand once retrofitted with the Kaw recall latches.... ( oh, for those newbies, I was on the phone with the people at Lad in Cali, after the third bag ejection, and WAS the one forcing the recall, and retrofit... little known fact... I have to thank them, Nasa corp., for their rapid deployment recall... nuff said, my arms don't reach the "pat here point" on my back any longer)
As for new discoveries? Meh, nothing new, as posted above about locks.
Glad to see ya back 238....good luck with making a ZG into a ZX.
I prefer the zbars but then I'm a wild and crazy guy!
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I prefer the zbars but then I'm a wild and crazy guy!
zbars?
xanax or apehangers?
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On a side note, and to attempt an explanation on my , and Brians part... we have been dealiing with this toy for 7+ years, and having someone jump in, and make miraculous discoveries, to us all, just kinda grates the carrot so to speak... especialy when they enter and degrade, what we have done so painstakingly to improve, and retain... basically, we sen it, did it, tasted it, felt it, and continuously try to improve it from time elapsed experience. Don't take our comments short, we both are very abrupt, and only wish to allay fruitless persuits, because we both slammed our fingers with the proverbial "paid for it dammit" hammers..
Take it how you will, but tghen, there's lotsa stuff we can help you with, seriously HELP you with... pizz off the Popes, and see if you go to heaven... or Valhallah... 8)
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I prefer the zbars but then I'm a wild and crazy guy!
Dammit Jim, shutup and pour me a drink..... 8)
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Well, I LOVE miraculous discoveries.... but only if they are really discoveries :-) The Rostra was a good example of a combined effort I think- lots of people contributed to the 'tribal knowledge' of installing one of those on a C-14 and I think the result is a better installation (although the original still works, as it always did).
But all of that aside, I have noticed a general trend on the forums over the course of time: in the 'olden' days of 2007 and 2008, there were a lot of really interesting discoveries, learning, figuring out things about this <then> brand new bike. Those days are gone and the C-14 is now a very affordable, used bike and the forums have changed; I believe the two things are linked. So the learning is way down, the humor is down and the abrasion is up.... it is too bad but probably inevitable.
The really good news is that I believe there might, maybe, just possibly be a three- letter cure. And I won't mention those three letters but Hans and Gerhard have been big fans of that company since way back when they made aircraft engines. ;) I ride with those folks already and like them pretty well, my only problem is that they seem to be camping orientated. Oh well, I think I will jump in and test the waters.
Brian
On a side note, and to attempt an explanation on my , and Brians part... we have been dealiing with this toy for 7+ years, and having someone jump in, and make miraculous discoveries, to us all, just kinda grates the carrot so to speak... especialy when they enter and degrade, what we have done so painstakingly to improve, and retain... basically, we sen it, did it, tasted it, felt it, and continuously try to improve it from time elapsed experience. Don't take our comments short, we both are very abrupt, and only wish to allay fruitless persuits, because we both slammed our fingers with the proverbial "paid for it dammit" hammers..
Take it how you will, but tghen, there's lotsa stuff we can help you with, seriously HELP you with... pizz off the Popes, and see if you go to heaven... or Valhallah... 8)
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PS THE ONLY reason I came back on here was due to Maxtog helping me greatly, and I wanted to hang with him and some of the other guys that welcomed me. If other users plan on being ugly,
I'll will simply ask a mod to block them from my posts.
Sorry does not work that way.... When members find that they can't get along with each other they need to learn restraint and when that does not work learn to utilize the ignore feature that is in your control panel... When Moderators are forced to step in the results are usually not at all pleasent.... Let this be a warning not to be taken lightly by "ANY" member here don't show your dick as you will come back with a nub and no higher power will save you.... Play nice or go play.....
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For all the rest of your that were supportive to a new guy, I say thanks. Let's get to building some cool sheeeit!!!! And ride. Oh, sorry so many of you live up in the tundra, you can always trailer your machines down to Arizona and ride here... ;D Love to show any guys coming this way great roads, ghost towns, etc... 8)
:popcorn: real interested in how you bypass the linked brakes and some of the other mods you had , mentioned earlier. :chugbeer:
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This just cracks my butt in half... I come on here and post some "How to repair..." to HELP some others, and the FRIGGIN "Know ALL GODS" have to chime in???
Really? Can't you two idiots just go and praise each other about how great you both are??? Like two high school mental idiots that probably bullied everyone smaller than yourselves, and to this day just never grew up. And now you hide behind a screen and continue your high school bully ways online.
Let's be grown ups here... I'll make you a deal... stay out of my posts, and I PROMISE not to bother to read ANY of yours.
I refuse to let two jerks ruin my experience of visiting this board... I have no idea WHY Man of Plastic Balls and BFD are even allowed on here. I know I'm a new person here but who did they blow to get to treat other members they way they do????
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Has anyone ever heard of an orange C-14 bag latch snapping off? This was a recall item that was address and I am not aware of ANY orange latches breaking. Anyone?
I suggest everyone do his / her own research on this matter because I believe this is incorrect information.
Brian
Blowhard, why do you think I'm changing a lock out??? BECAUSE IT BROKE, GOT IT? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU MISSED HERE?
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Wow and, expensive!!
Nice piece!!!! Great find and EXACTLY what I need... but holy cow, that's crazy expensive.....
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On a side note, and to attempt an explanation on my , and Brians part... we have been dealiing with this toy for 7+ years, and having someone jump in, and make miraculous discoveries, to us all, just kinda grates the carrot so to speak... especialy when they enter and degrade, what we have done so painstakingly to improve, and retain... basically, we sen it, did it, tasted it, felt it, and continuously try to improve it from time elapsed experience. Don't take our comments short, we both are very abrupt, and only wish to allay fruitless persuits, because we both slammed our fingers with the proverbial "paid for it dammit" hammers..
Take it how you will, but tghen, there's lotsa stuff we can help you with, seriously HELP you with... pizz off the Popes, and see if you go to heaven... or Valhallah... 8)
Did anyone here ask you to chime in about anything? Sorry, believe it or not, you're not a God on here... hate to burst that fat bubble over your head... The orange latches DO break, mine was broken when I bought the bike... AND sometimes people drop a bike and break a bag. My point, in case you obviously missed it, was how to change a lock in the bag to keep one key working for all... so butt out. Sorry you're simply not needed in this post, or any others of mine. And while you were busy "perfecting" the bike as you put it, I was busy BLOWING through the 200mph mark on ZX-14s and pulling power out of those engines that people didn't know existed.
Some how or another, I have no desire to bow to you as this "Holy God" you think you are... I've paid my dues. Show me any of your 200mph plus traps...
And Brian's comment about how the C-14 exhaust flows as good as the ZX made me spit milk all over my screen... yes, you're both rocket scientists...lol ;D
Is it worth coming to this forum, (that has some great posts and cool members), and yet have to deal with two overgrown yard apes on my back all the time?
Is this really how you guys treat new members? Is this really how you members want to run this board? Do you think new members are going to want to hang around when they have to deal with this non-stop immature, non-relevant to the post, crap????
I can take a lot of BS. Not a big deal... but it gets old. Especially from a couple of nobody's... If it were two top racers or well known engineers or something I might see it. But these two guys are absolutely ZEROs thinking they run the place... wow. You want arrogant? You got 'em! Two of them. If this were my board, they would both be gone....
Chime into the admin if you think this is BS
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Did anyone here ask you to chime in about anything? Sorry, believe it or not, you're not a God on here... hate to burst that fat bubble over your head... The orange latches DO break, mine was broken when I bought the bike... AND sometimes people drop a bike and break a bag. My point, in case you obviously missed it, was how to change a lock in the bag to keep one key working for all... so butt out. Sorry you're simply not needed in this post, or any others of mine. And while you were busy "perfecting" the bike as you put it, I was busy BLOWING through the 200mph mark on ZX-14s and pulling power out of those engines that people didn't know existed.
Some how or another, I have no desire to bow to you as this "Holy God" you think you are... I've paid my dues. Show me any of your 200mph plus traps...
And Brian's comment about how the C-14 exhaust flows as good as the ZX made me spit milk all over my screen... yes, you're both rocket scientists...lol ;D
Is it worth coming to this forum, (that has some great posts and cool members), and yet have to deal with two overgrown yard apes on my back all the time?
Is this really how you guys treat new members? Is this really how you members want to run this board? Do you think new members are going to want to hang around when they have to deal with this non-stop immature, non-relevant to the post, crap????
I can take a lot of BS. Not a big deal... but it gets old. Especially from a couple of nobody's... If it were two top racers or well known engineers or something I might see it. But these two guys are absolutely ZEROs thinking they run the place... wow. You want arrogant? You got 'em! Two of them. If this were my board, they would both be gone....
Chime into the admin if you think this is BS
Apparently my post did not apply to you?
"Sorry does not work that way.... When members find that they can't get along with each other they need to learn restraint and when that does not work learn to utilize the ignore feature that is in your control panel... When Moderators are forced to step in the results are usually not at all pleasent.... Let this be a warning not to be taken lightly by "ANY" member here don't show your dick as you will come back with a nub and no higher power will save you.... Play nice or go play....."
That meant no FURTHER outburst would be tolerated from them or you... Enjoy your time off....