I got everything install and wired. Even got into diagnostic mode to verify all the signals going to the controller.
Now is there a way to test the operation without going for a ride?
Too mich snow and ice here in northern MN. I tried running it on the center stand at about 25 mph but that is too scary and the cruise did not work.
Thanks,
Wayne
So you should be ready to ride along America's highways and feel free to fall asleep while being confident that the bike will maintain speed.... :o ;
LOL!!!
Seriously though, I have a medical condition (some type of sleep disorder) and actually CAN easily fall asleep while driving, even on the Concours without cruise control :( Have to be very careful, especially at evening or night (and such driving is the ONLY time I consume caffeine, which works and is less scary/complex than the amphetamines the doctor wanted to prescribe).
Seriously though, I have a medical condition (some type of sleep disorder) and actually CAN easily fall asleep while driving, even on the Concours without cruise control :(
Skeet,
After installing mine, I weighed the odds between testing on the centerstand and manning up and playing crash test dummy...
So I tested mine on the centerstand, holding it back to make sure it couldn't vibrate off the stand and take off.
Mine engaged, but had to be in 5th gear and at least 35 mph.
However, without the friction and load of the road against the rear wheel, it will rev up and down, repeatedly. But, as Brian stated, it proves it's engaging.
When it does this on the centerstand, it's merely exceeding the set speed, then slowing, then trying to reacquire. Once it passed this test, I went for a ride and it worked perfectly.
That was over 2 years ago, still works perfectly.
That's how I did mine.
YMMV, though! Be safe. The key is it has to be engaged at 35 mph or faster, and in the higher gear. Hope this helps.
Bob
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But, to me, this wasn't even close to being dangerous.
To others, it might be. And it would be a disaster if it ever came off the stand. :o
But I knew I could hold the bike back and keep it steady on the stand while gradually increasing speed.
I did NOT know if I would be able to turn it off if it went WOT, besides the kill switches.
What startled me was the initial engagement, and sudden accel/then decel/ then accel!
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Do loud pipes wake Max?
Hey guys, I have almost completed the install of my Rostra CC, with the exception of passing the diagnostic test. The kicker here is that I cant get past step one. To the best of my knowledge, I have it wired exactly how it should be and my connections are right on. The only difference that I am coming up with is how the brake relay is wired, and I am thinking that this could be part of the issue. Brian and Fred say one way, and Rostra says another way. Regardless, neither way works. The problem that I currently have is the led light inside the actuator is ON once I put it into diagnostic mode, and it should be off.
I have even tried waving the almighty KiPass over the bike, hoping that its magical powers would heal everything, but it didnt help. So I have found one flaw in the KiPass.
what cc kit and mounting bracket for the switch are people using ??
thanks
what cc kit and mounting bracket for the switch are people using ??
thanks
Candles! Candles!....The Mighty Awsome powaah of KIPASS don't need no stinkin'badgcandles! :D
Says the guy standing in the dark, holding his fob....
Brian
I see that I cant keep the thread that I started asking for help. Mine got merged with an old thread.
But enjoying the warm glow of awesomeness exuding from his fob with a fresh new battery.
A mandate is it? You running for congress next?
But enjoying the warm glow of awesomeness exuding from his fob with a fresh new battery.
You have actually seen is fob glow and exude? I mean I've heard the stories and maybe even told that one a few times itself but..... really, it glows?
:rotflmao:
Brian
I didn't see the need for yet another Rostra testing thread when one was just active a few weeks ago... please don't take offense (I am not sure why you would in any case) it is just standard housekeeping as what I perceive to be part of my mandate.
You have actually seen is fob glow and exude? I mean I've heard the stories and maybe even told that one a few times itself but..... really, it glows?
:rotflmao:
Brian
Marty, Thank you! It was a very time consuming install and for some reason still unknown, I was having problems with the diagnostic mode. I had a phone call or two with Brian, and he walked me through my connections and tested some things, and he said I was good to go, regardless of what the test lights on unit showed. So I took the bike for a little ride with half of the fairing removed and the unit engaged as it should. Today will be a 300+ mile test.
Many thanks to Brian for his time and expertice
Marty, Thank you! It was a very time consuming install and for some reason still unknown, I was having problems with the diagnostic mode. I had a phone call or two with Brian, and he walked me through my connections and tested some things, and he said I was good to go, regardless of what the test lights on unit showed. So I took the bike for a little ride with half of the fairing removed and the unit engaged as it should. Today will be a 300+ mile test.
Many thanks to Brian for his time and expertice
+1 I've done 2 installs and both times I didn't get the diagnostic mode to work but the Rostra works fine on both bikes.
Glad to help if I can. And you really should post those photos of the install- they may embarrass some of us to do better work in the future (seriously).
I think you will really like the CC on that bike- finally you will be free to read, knit or even take a little nap while still making good time toward your destination. :-)
Brian
I posted some photos here: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18000.645 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18000.645)
Very nice/clean installation
I have a Audiovox C100 that's I never got around to installing on my C10. I'd like a cruise the C14, should I get a Rostra or install the C100?
Rostra! Totally electronic and no vacuum canister. Easy to connect to the speed sensor.
Rostra! Totally electronic and no vacuum canister. Easy to connect to the speed sensor.
Don't discount yourself, Nicole. Your work and skills appear to be well above typical...
Seconded!.....er..maybe,...typical...what exactly Deziner? (yes I'm :stirpot:) ;D
Probably should have stopped with only one period after typical.
Anywaaaayyyyy, that was what I was seconding, "typical." with one period. (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-halo.gif)
There seems to be several incidents of having trouble getting into Diagnostic mode with Rostras that then seem to work fine afterwards during the road test.
I always wonder if everybody with this problem is remembering to disconnect the NSS (clutch) wire (just for the Diagnostic test) as per Brian's instructions?
Seconded!.....er..maybe,...typical...what exactly Deziner? (yes I'm :stirpot:) ;D
Probably should have stopped with only one period after typical.
Anywaaaayyyyy, that was what I was seconding, "typical." with one period. (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-halo.gif)
For someone that does not accessorize vehicles for a living, Nicole does a bang up job when she mods her motorcycle. Very clean indeed. Saw some other installs that, well let's just say that "clean" would not be at the top of my list of adjectives to describe the installation. As a matter of fact, I would have to say that MOST folks take the "Good enough. Nobody can see what's under the Tupperware." approach. I'm dealing with that on my bike. 8)
And since I do live under a rock, I had to Google Walter White, so I could be as smart as a fifth grader.
question, but wasnt sure where to ask it
anyways, how tight to the set speed does the rostra hold, say with semi flat roads, no huge hills or anything, just normal midwest roads.
thanks much
(find myself using the cruise in the car every day, to maintain my above the limit speed to an acceptable level)
For example, the Rostra will work reasonably well at 30 MPH but the engine has to be in 5th or even better, 6th gear. Yes that does result in rather low engine speeds but that is what is required to tame the Rostra. At that same 30 MPH in 2nd or 3rd gear, the CC will oscillate, sometimes kind of annoyingly so.
30MPH in 6th???? I would never do that.... even 5th is lugging!
I registered here only one day after max' did, and I still can't tell when he's joking. ???
Hey mod, go start your :stirpot: lugging thread somewheres else. This here's Rostra testing country. ;D
Where did that come from? Now it is me that can't tell who is joking!
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-GpFKHVw/0/O/i-GpFKHVw.jpg)
:rotflmao:
Yeah, well now you know, I was joking about the pot stirring on your part max' (sorry that wasn't made clear), and I understand that mods gotta do what mods gotta etc. etc. Not wanting a mod war here, had enough of that elsewhere. I like it here. :) :grouphug:
However, I want it clear that it was not I that started this off topic discussion (not that I haven't done that several time before :-[ ;D ) from Rostra testing to lugging. Lugging an engine is not something so simple that one can tell simply from gearing and speed that it is happening. I'm sure there are many here that will disagree and say so with lots of exclamation points and talk about all their track experience. Some will go on to say that they never shift up out of 4th unless they are going at least 70 mph (60mph? 82mph? whatever, pick a number). and the rest of us that don't follow their guidelines are doomed to knocking big end rod bearings etc etc.
Lugging has at least two additional factors besides gearing and speed. Throttle opening and resistance to forward motion. On level ground with calm to low headwinds, properly maintained bike including properly inflated tires, GVWR compliance, and perhaps some other factors that I can't think of right now, a C14 in 5th gear with only enough throttle opening to maintain 30 mph is not lugging the engine. Kawasaki agrees with me.
Now returning to topic, if testing a Rostra in 5th at 30mph and it starts opening and closing the throttle in large movements in it's attempt to maintain speed, then there is most likely some lugging going on during the wider throttle openings. If that happens discontinue the test and check to make sure that there isn't too much actuator cable slack at closed throttle, or simply test at a higher speed. I agree with Brian (at least I think that is his position on it), I would not test a new Rostra install in any gear below 5th until I was sure it was performing properly in the higher gears. Such a test would, I think, be for grins and giggles as I don't know why anyone would care how it performs in the lower gears, unless of course they never shift up out of 4th below 70 for fear of lugging the engine (::)) while riding in a 60mph speed zone.
.................. Ah, fond memories. But I digress- where were we? Oh yeah, BMW's suck.
Brian
:rotflmao:
Yeah, well now you know, I was joking about the pot stirring on your part max' (sorry that wasn't made clear), and I understand that mods gotta do what mods gotta etc. etc. Not wanting a mod war here, had enough of that elsewhere. I like it here. :) :grouphug:
Lugging an engine is not something so simple that one can tell simply from gearing and speed that it is happening.
There have been several times I've set my Rostra at 25-30 mph.
I have usually had it in 5th gear at the time.
Mine works pretty well w/o surging at those speeds.
Now, I originally set my dip switches up exactly as Brian suggested in his tutorial.
After about a year of use, it began to annoy me concerning how long it seemed to take to engage at a set speed. I have a friend that I installed one on his GS. He told me one day he had observed the same thing with his, which bugged him as well. He read up as to what each dip switch setting did, and had changed his #2 switch from off to on. This made it engage a lot sooner. Big improvement.
So, I changed mine, and had the same result...with one exception; Mine now takes spells surging.
It seems to be controllable, though. I have to watch about not engaging it if I'm going down a steep grade, or climbing a hill, etc. Otherwise, it has been an improvement.
Excellent! Welcome to the world of closed loop control. ;) What you did was to shorten the time the Rostra uses to close the loop, which makes it respond faster. That is a good thing when the unit was responding too slow but a bad thing when it surges. It is not a 'right or wrong' situation and some other people have used different setting that they prefer also. The settings I used are quite forgiving and 'soft' for lack of a better word but the result is the system can be sluggish in some circumstances.
This is the root of the problem with the Rostra on high power- to- weight vehicles; it was not originally designed to work in this envelope. All loop closure systems are a compromise but there is a window where a given system usually works very well and a C-14 is outside the Rostra's window.
As always, the Rostra install has become a community development thing and a lot of people have contributed different methods, settings, etc. Lots of different things work, some better than others, especially depending on what the particular person wants or expects. Good on ya' for tinkering and getting a better machine as a result.
Brian
Thanks, Bro! And, thanks again for your cool tutorial. Because you took the time to document your pioneering adventure for the adaption of the Rostra to a C14, it has been a huge help, not only to me, but many others.
My friends and I will always be grateful to you, Brian.
I really appreciate your contributions to the forum.
It's helped me help others. That's what it's all about...right?
Ride safe.
Bob
Thanks, Bro! And, thanks again for your cool tutorial. Because you took the time to document your pioneering adventure for the adaption of the Rostra to a C14, it has been a huge help, not only to me, but many others.
My friends and I will always be grateful to you, Brian.
My Rostra's been the coolest $300 farkle I've added so far.
Couldn't have done it without your help.
Because of you, I've been able to help several others install theirs, and they absolutely love them!
The last one I've done was just last month. I put an Audiovox 100 system on a 1999 Honda Valkrye.
(1500 GW 6cyl carb'd). It took me 2 years to convince my friend to buy one.
After we finished the install, we went on a 60 mile test ride. He was like a little kid with a new Christmas present! Even after he left my house, and headed home 35 miles away, he called me back to thank me repeatedly, saying how much he loved it.
I told him the real credit was due to you, Brian...for figuring it out.
Another friend that I put a Rostra on his GS is still thanking me... 2 years later!
I really appreciate your contributions to the forum.
It's helped me help others. That's what it's all about...right?
Ride safe.
Bob
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Brain, wheemovr colud you be reirnfreg too? ;D
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First, is there a latest and greatest 09 guide somewhere? And is the lit switch upgrade worth while? Last, for elements, is the covers and a dab of silicone all that's needed?
Close to pulling the trigger on a roster, sure hope no one takes offense to me posting here.
First, is there a latest and greatest 09 guide somewhere? And is the lit switch upgrade worth while? Last, for elements, is the covers and a dab of silicone all that's needed?
Thanks so very much for the time,
Joel
Last I checked on murphs, Brian's guide has pictures not displayed. Hmm
I just checked on Murph's (using Windows XP, Firefox browser) and all nine photos showed up just fine.
Try a different browser, or another computer.