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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on March 19, 2014, 07:49:06 PM
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I'm looking get another set of rotors to put on my green wheels, has anyone ran these before? Any comments about em? :-\
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261405155083?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261405155083?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261418078682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261418078682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
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Jay, there's a member on here running Brembos. Hopefully he chimes in on this thread. I know if you go out to Brembo's website they have rotors listed for the GTR. I'd double-check the part number to make sure the ones you linked to are the correct rotors. I do know they cost more than the EBC or Galfer. I wonder if you can tell much difference using the stock calipers?
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It's Brembo. Of course they are fantastic! I'm not so sure you will be able to tell any difference between them and the other brands performance wise though. But let's be honest here, YOU aren't buying them for a performance increase anyway. You're buying them because they are cool. You won't be disappointed.
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It's Brembo. Of course they are fantastic! I'm not so sure you will be able to tell any difference between them and the other brands performance wise though. But let's be honest here, YOU aren't buying them for a performance increase anyway. You're buying them because they are cool. You won't be disappointed.
So you're running them bro? It looks like they're available in both 310 and 320 mm, which one did you go with and what's the difference between the 2? ??? :-\
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It's Brembo. Of course they are fantastic! I'm not so sure you will be able to tell any difference between them and the other brands performance wise though. But let's be honest here, YOU aren't buying them for a performance increase anyway. You're buying them because they are cool. You won't be disappointed.
^^^that all day. no matter the RAW braking performance or the wow factor at bike night, they are second to none.
luvn' 'em on the KTM too
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So you're running them bro? It looks like they're available in both 310 and 320 mm, which one did you go with and what's the difference between the 2? ??? :-\
all else equal, bigger brake disc is better. For the same clamping force produced at the caliper, the braking torque at the disc is higher, hence the performance increase without any disadvantage at the user level: same force at the lever, same temperature of the hydraulic fluid. Furthermore, you get more feeling and better control of the stopping.
However, a bigger disc has more moment of inertia (slightly different steering feel) and it's structurally weaker, because the bolting point remain at the same circle on the rim.
One could argue that the difference between 310 and 320 mm is academic at just a little bit more than 3%, but everything adds up.
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I'm looking get another set of rotors to put on my green wheels, has anyone ran these before? Any comments about em? :-\
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261405155083?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261405155083?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261418078682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261418078682?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
$500 for front brake pads....
get serious. ::)
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all else equal, bigger brake disc is better. For the same clamping force produced at the caliper, the braking torque at the disc is higher, hence the performance increase without any disadvantage at the user level: same force at the lever, same temperature of the hydraulic fluid.
However, a bigger disc has more moment of inertia (slightly different steering feel) and it's structurally weaker, because the bolting point remain at the same circle on the rim.
One could argue that the difference between 310 and 320 mm is academic at just a little bit more than 3%, but everything adds up.
So I'm currently running the EBC X series http://ebcbrakes.com/product/floating-mc-rotors/ (http://ebcbrakes.com/product/floating-mc-rotors/)
Are these 310's? I looked on their site and didn't see anything that mentioned the size? ???
Are the oem rotors 310's? ???
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OEM front is 310 rear is 270
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OEM front is 310 rear is 270
Thanks Rich! :chugbeer:
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Damn and I thought regular sintered brake pads were expensive for this bike. I like the look of the EBC X series over the Brembos.
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I like the look of the EBC X series over the Brembos.
I love my gold EBC's with my black wheels, and they looked great on my gold wheels too, but I think black rotors might look better on the neon green wheels for my back in black project... :-\
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/oritew_zps2d01d573.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/oritew_zps2d01d573.jpg.html)
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Uh oh... Went to my buddies shop today, started out talking Brembo rotors and ended up talking about possibly a full-monty setup with Brembo calipers too... :-\
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Jay, go with 320 if you get them. No reason not to.
That leaves your caliper 5mm too close. Honda sells spacers that come on their cbr 1000, that happen to be 5mm thick, and work on our Kawasaki forks. Part number 51497-MEL-D20. You'll need 4, and they are cheap at around 5.00 per.
I've had the Brembo rotors...as far as performance, boy they sure look pretty. They work great, but so does every other rotor.
I've used the brembo p[ads too, and they are not as good as the Vesrah. But, you can see the problem with the Vesrah pads, right here: No, its not a misprint on the price.
http://www.kurveygirl.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_40_78&products_id=220 (http://www.kurveygirl.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_40_78&products_id=220)
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As other have mentioned, what you'll get from the Brembo rotors is bragging rights from having Brembo rotors. The cheap Chinese rotors will perform just as well.
Now the calipers are a different matter...
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Jay, go with 320 is you get them. No reason not to.
Agreed RC, the cost is pretty close between the 310 and the 320, and yes the spacers are pretty cheap, so that will be the way I go. :chugbeer:
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Now the calipers are a different matter...
Indeed RB, indeed, that's the way I'm leaning now, we'll see... ;)
I like the nickel plated ones... Here's a pic I took today of a set on a ZX14 with my same Ohlins forks... :cool:
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg.html)
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Uh oh... Went to my buddies shop today, started out talking Brembo rotors and ended up talking about possibly a full-monty setup with Brembo calipers too... :-\
Of course do the calipers too! I never heard you even debate scimping on the (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/blingbling.gif)
Here is my back caliper. No bling nor a real casing, its for hardcore dirt. Along with the Brembo pads and the mad wave rotors its incredible overkill stopping power and control of the brakes (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/KTM/IMG_20140320_235751789.jpg)
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I just peeked at the calipers for the ZX14, GEEZ they are high, the 3 calipers for the bike cost more than a C14 with a KLR thrown into the deal on the side! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif)
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I just peeked at the calipers for the ZX14, GEEZ they are high, the 3 calipers for the bike cost more than a C14 with a KLR thrown into the deal on the side! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif)
;D :chugbeer:
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This is one of the worst bikes ever to upgrade brakes on. Socks is so good, you can get by with just using some gsxr brembos. You need the REAl ones to make a difference. I knwo this guy, lets call him Rcannon408 in case his wife sees the post. He told me he tried gsxr brembos and was disappointed.
With your connections in the metal world, how about trying to duplicate this look:
http://www.advantage-net.co.jp/custom_bike/zx10rb/zx10rb04b.jpg (http://www.advantage-net.co.jp/custom_bike/zx10rb/zx10rb04b.jpg)
The calipers in the link are the real thing, huge price, but I THINK the look could be duplicated rather easily.
Plus, if you added just a Brembo RCS master cylinder to the stock brakes, they would be amazing.
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This is one of the worst bikes ever to upgrade brakes on. Socks is so good, you can get by with just using some gsxr brembos. You need the REAl ones to make a difference. I knwo this guy, lets call him Rcannon408 in case his wife sees the post. He told me he tried gsxr brembos and was disappointed.
With your connections in the metal world, how about trying to duplicate this look:
http://www.advantage-net.co.jp/custom_bike/zx10rb/zx10rb04b.jpg (http://www.advantage-net.co.jp/custom_bike/zx10rb/zx10rb04b.jpg)
The calipers in the link are the real thing, huge price, but I THINK the look could be duplicated rather easily.
Plus, if you added just a Brembo RCS master cylinder to the stock brakes, they would be amazing.
RC, not sure if I'm understanding your post correctly, are you saying that the Connie is or isn't a good candidate for brakes upgrade? ???
I would think that she is an ideal candidate given the weight of this boheemuth... The big girl gets moving and all that weight is needing to stop somehow... Better is better right? :-\
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Give up and just give me your money! I need gas money to get to Johnson City, TN. :chugbeer:
Stock brakes work excellent, and stop the 700# bike right NOW. Ask me how I know. ;D
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RC, not sure if I'm understanding your post correctly, are you saying that the Connie is or isn't a good candidate for brakes upgrade? ???
I would think that she is an ideal candidate given the weight of this boheemuth... The big girl gets moving and all that weight is needing to stop somehow... Better is better right? :-\
+1
EVERY bike is a great candidate for a brake upgrade (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Even bikes with Brembo's from the factory can be upgraded to professional grade instead of the generic die cast runs that come stock
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Brakes are for quitters.
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Brakes are for quitters.
:rotflmao:
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The quitters with the ability to quit faster (brake later into the turns) have the best lap times too (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
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RC, not sure if I'm understanding your post correctly, are you saying that the Connie is or isn't a good candidate for brakes upgrade? ???
I would think that she is an ideal candidate given the weight of this boheemuth... The big girl gets moving and all that weight is needing to stop somehow... Better is better right? :-\
Sorry. I did a lousy job explaining my thought. Th c14 a hard bike to upgrade because what it has is already the economical upgrade for everyone else. Many of th etrack bikes ran around here use our calipers. Also, the older zx10 owners were taking the C14 calipers (same as zx14) and upgrading their track bikes with them. The four pad caliper was an is a serious upgrade for the pre 1008 zx10's.
So, the next step up, for us, is the high dollar brembos. Suzuki has the gsxr brembos which will fit right on our bikes, but they might even be a downgrade. We have to spend the 1000.00 and up for the GOOD Brembos ones to improve upon anything.
The rcs 19 master cylinder, with our stock calipers, is just abotu as good as anythign we can buy. If you did that and 320mm rotors, it woudl be awesome.
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One other thought..everyone I've talked to, at the track, raves about the RCS 19 master cylinder. The one guy there who has the full brembo set-up on his gsxr (real brembo's not the suzuki ones) said the master cylinder made a larger difference than the calipers themselves.
But, for Jay, I see one problem. Can you get a clutch lever to match your new Brembo brake lever? I know they have matching levers for cable clutches, but how about ours?
I've never met Jay, in person, but I dont see him driving 25 feet without matching levers...
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One other thought..everyone I've talked to, at the track, raves about the RCS 19 master cylinder. The one guy there who has the full brembo set-up on his gsxr (real brembo's not the suzuki ones) said the master cylinder made a larger difference than the calipers themselves.
But, for Jay, I see one problem. Can you get a clutch lever to match your new Brembo brake lever? I know they have matching levers for cable clutches, but how about ours?
I've never met Jay, in person, but I dont see him driving 25 feet without matching levers...
Yes RC, Brembo makes a clutch side lever too, my buddies ZX14 has both and they are uber smooth! 8) :thumbs:
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I've never met Jay, in person, but I dont see him driving 25 feet without matching levers...
And color coordinated with his gear.... :rotflmao:
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And color coordinated with his gear.... :rotflmao:
:battle:
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So you're running them bro? It looks like they're available in both 310 and 320 mm, which one did you go with and what's the difference between the 2? ??? :-\
They come stock on my Aprilia. But I have switched every race/ performance bike I have owned to them because they are so fantastic. If it were my money I would buy the 310mm rotors because when it comes right down to it you're not lapping Laguna you're playing. They will stop the bike with ease and they will look good doing it. I have run EBC and Galfer rotors on different things (there is currently a Galfer on my WR) and they work great. I would say no better than my Brembo's in outright performance. But there is something about Brembo componetry that is just cool.....Which is why I told you to buy them. :chugbeer: