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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: mikeyw64 on December 04, 2017, 03:33:04 AM
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Wonder if they still get paid?
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Imagine how unsafe the structure is now
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Sure...... as soon as they actually knock the building down and cart away the debris.
And often times with these contracts, there is a late deduction although seeing as that is an abandoned area, that may not apply.
Brian
Wonder if they still get paid?
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Good question.
They seem to cut the main bearing stanchions with shaped charges, and the rest of the structure's weight is more than sufficient to pull the entire building down without them. But that all depends on how strong the surrounding structure actually is; it would be like cutting all the 2 X 4's bearing up a modern house, only to find that the outer sheathing is enough to continue to hold up the structure. And that would most certainly be dangerous to enter in that condition.... that sports arena may not be stable and there are no hard- hats tough enough to weather that thing collapsing. :-(
Funny thing but it would <seem> that knocking a structure down would be easy and yet often it is not. Sure, knock the two piers out from under a suspension bridge and that bridge is going to come down but something like an earthen dam, or a concrete dam, is a lot harder to destroy. Especially if the person doing the destruction is trying to contain the damage and debris.
Brian
Imagine how unsafe the structure is now
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Would be interesting to see what the follow up solution to such a situation is. Do you send it very stupid... I mean brave people to assess the situation? Do you send in Miley with the wrecking ball? Can you safely get close enough with demolition equipment? I know they have small remote controlled demo equipment with jack hammers on the end.
Good question.
They seem to cut the main bearing stanchions with shaped charges, and the rest of the structure's weight is more than sufficient to pull the entire building down without them. But that all depends on how strong the surrounding structure actually is; it would be like cutting all the 2 X 4's bearing up a modern house, only to find that the outer sheathing is enough to continue to hold up the structure. And that would most certainly be dangerous to enter in that condition.... that sports arena may not be stable and there are no hard- hats tough enough to weather that thing collapsing. :-(
Funny thing but it would <seem> that knocking a structure down would be easy and yet often it is not. Sure, knock the two piers out from under a suspension bridge and that bridge is going to come down but something like an earthen dam, or a concrete dam, is a lot harder to destroy. Especially if the person doing the destruction is trying to contain the damage and debris.
Brian
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I saw this live on CNN.com. I waited around for another 30 minutes watching as people went inside the thing. INSIDE! We haven't heard the last of this.
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Well, the first thing to know is how they were trying to implode the building in the first place. Of course we do not have that knowledge, but they (the contractors who rigged it) certainly do. Given that information, I would say the first thing to do is to inspect, via remote camera (drone, crawler, robotic, whatever), to find out if the original intent was completed. If it was, then it would be required to figure out what is actually holding the building up and decide how to deal with that; if not, then the obvious step would be to again rig the building to take out (or finish taking out) the supporting structure so it will fall down.
Depending entirely on the height of the building, it <may> be possible to knock it down using heavy equipment but probably not; we just do not make equipment tall and heavy enough to stand up to parts of a building falling against it. And not tall and heavy enough to have enough horizontal 'reach' to demolish the building and not have the debris land against or on the equipment being used to demolish it. Hence the explosives in the first place: they do two jobs at one time, the first is that they eliminate the hollow structure that can, and will collapse as bearing members are removed by removing all the bearing members at one time, with no one nearby. The second job is to greatly increase the density of the building as a pile of debris, something that can easily be dug into with no risk of a skeleton type of structure falling down.
My structural background is building things up and having them stay there, not knocking them down. :-) But it looks like a fascinating business to me and part of that is the tricky part of using enough destructive force without going so far overboard that debris is blown into another time zone. Personally, I think what those folks do is much harder than to actually build a building and I do not know if I would have the 'brass' to actually push the proverbial plunger myself, if it were I that signed the permit. And I have to say that the ones I have seen are close to a work of art in not only knocking a structure down but having it fall very straight down; knocking down even a relatively short (tall) building in a big city and having it tip on the way would be a disaster. So even the failure these folks suffered was the better way; much better to have to do it twice than to have to reach out 18 city blocks to clean up the rubble that landed there.
Brian
Would be interesting to see what the follow up solution to such a situation is. Do you send it very stupid... I mean brave people to assess the situation? Do you send in Miley with the wrecking ball? Can you safely get close enough with demolition equipment? I know they have small remote controlled demo equipment with jack hammers on the end.
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My structural background is building things up and having them stay there, not knocking them down. :-)
If you can build things up, and have them stay there, doesn't that mean you have a pretty good idea of some things that would take them down?
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Give Kim Jong-Un the co-ordinates ?
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Would be interesting to see what the follow up solution to such a situation is. Do you send it very stupid... I mean brave people to assess the situation? Do you send in Miley with the wrecking ball? Can you safely get close enough with demolition equipment? I know they have small remote controlled demo equipment with jack hammers on the end.
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Oddly enough, nope.
For a simple example: normal wooden residential construction in the US calls for 2 X 4's every 16", or 2 X 6's every 24". That makes a bearing wall, which will not only support the entire roof load above, including additional weight such as snow collection, but also at least one additional floor. Another requirement is that these 'bearing members' are cross - braced, either with planking running horizontally or sheathing fastened to the 2 X structure to keep it from having the top kick- out sideways, or 'diamonding'. All modern residential structures are built this way.
So knocking one down, from the builder's point of view, would be to simply 'break' those 2 X's that support the structure and it will all fall down..... except that the sheathing is actually quite strong and very capable of holding the structure up. It is not calculated in the bearing loads of the building but try crushing even 7/16" thick sheathing, edge- down, and it is amazingly strong. So if I were to cut all the 2 X's and the structure stood, what next?
In steel skeleton structures, again it is assumed that the vertical steel members bear the entire load but that again is too simple; all the outside sheathing attached, often welded, to those vertical members yield a tremendous amount of strength but are not figured in in the building's ability to withstand vertical load, side loading (wind) or torque load (wind not hitting exactly 90 degrees on the building). So a building with insufficient, or possibly even NO vertical bearing members MAY still stand, although it will not be safe to withstand any additional loads (people in the grandstands, snow, etc.) or natural events such as earthquakes, even earth tremors, winds, etc. So now you have a building actually standing that almost certainly WILL fall down at some point in the future but has not fallen where and when the contractors intended. A very poor state of affairs. But I cut them a lot of slack because again, it is very tricky work and once the first attempt fails, the building is now actually dangerous so the second try is far trickier yet.
What is normally done with large structures, which are always made out of steel, is to cut the bearing members using a shaped explosive charge. What is a bit unusual in the video of this particular example is the long length of external detonation (det.) cord that can be seen igniting immediately before the shaped charges go off. Anyway, the shaped charges make a chisel shaped cut right through the vertical members, leaving the building above without any support, and it falls exactly one floor so that the second floor is then on the ground. But because the entire building has a good amount of vertical (downward) velocity, the second floor does what is called 'pancaking' and it too crushes because while it can, and did, bear up the entire rest of the building, the velocity acts as a hammer blow and crushes those members. The third floor follows and so forth. The clearest example of this, unfortunately, is watching the twin World Trade Centers collapse in 2001, one floor failed due to over- heated bearing members, and the floors above 'pancaked' each floor below until all floors other than the last couple on top were destroyed.
While this failure is unfortunate, hopefully there will be no loss- of- life as the situation progresses, and frankly it is these types of 'failures' that are fascinating to learn about. And I still have every reason to believe that the original contractors, perhaps with additional outside assistance now, will still successfully bring the building down safely and I personally would not be too quick to dump all over them because as I have said, it is tricky work dropping a building straight down into a nice, neat and confined "heap".
Brian
If you can build things up, and have them stay there, doesn't that mean you have a pretty good idea of some things that would take them down?
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Some of the videos I've seen of preparing for explosive demolition on a steel beam building, I've seen them cutting through the walls before using the shaped charges that cut the steel beams. I'm assuming this is for the exact reason you stated. Don't want to cut the beams only to have the walls support the weight and the building doesn't fall down. I don't know when this incident happened but I bet there were or will be a major port mortem on this job.
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this is how to do it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k)
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Second time was a charm....
https://youtu.be/kn9OOyB2ibs
it was clear in the first attempt, charges failed...likely det cord and lines were compromised..
I'm surprised they didn't do more "internal" pre weakening of all the stand support joisting, along with adding in "load pulling" cables attached to the exterior walls to assist in pulling them and timing those charges prior to the exterior ones..
Most tall, and significantly larger risk high buildings undergo weeks of internal cable attachments, and selective pre weakening of inner support members, prior to the charges ever being attached.. all of that totals up to success, pulling the external walls inward, and adding to the crash load to pancake the floors..
I was lucky enough to get a walk thru of a large multi story on a demo, and was amazed at the pre process..
the Cable thing was a real invisible adder, large (3/4") cables were attached in strategic areas, and corners, of upper floors, routed down thru a large hole in the center or location suitable to "pulling" the debris to the side, and down multiple floors where they actually attached huge concrete block "weights", dangling from them pulling, also many were terminated at other points dedicated for charges in a floor below, on walls and vertical supports, to assist on the pulling in of the exterior above.. truly amazing. :thumbs:
I was really surprised when I saw how much stuff was still left in that stadium for demo tho, when Cleveland demo'd the old Browns stadium, there wasn't one single seat, or even the wooden bench planking from the "Dog Pound" left in there, it was a mere shell, as fans wanted all the collectable memorabilia they could get.. My wife's son got a bunch of folding seats, he had to chisel off the studs that held them on.. I brought tools when I went to get bleecher seating from the "Pound", and wish I brought a torch, there were people there with Oxy-Acet rigs, that were smart.. and they could torch off any bolt in seconds.. they were charging a premium by the way... prolly could have made a couple grand in one day just torching off mounting bolts...
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When they brought down the old Kingdome here in Seattle it went down like the sack of crap that it was. All in one shot and FAST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiftDBtCFt8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiftDBtCFt8)
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I couldn't bring myself to go downtown to watch this one at 1 in the morn...
https://youtu.be/sCloDK8YI8U
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I couldn't bring myself to go downtown to watch this one at 1 in the morn...
https://youtu.be/sCloDK8YI8U
Would love to see one in person but I'm guessing they don't let you get close enough for a really good view of it.
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Would love to see one in person but I'm guessing they don't let you get close enough for a really good view of it.
Almost as awesome of getting a close up view when we tested Special Weapons back in the 1950's. Nothing like getting a blast of radioactive plasma in the face.
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The one that would have been best avoided was Castle Bravo; it was supposed to be a very large device, designed to yield ~5 megatons TNT equivalent. But like the old saying that only a very smart person can do truly vast damage because nobody would trust a fool with such important tasks in the first place, the physicists who designed the pit missed by a bit and assumed the majority of the material supplying the fusion fuel was not reactive and would not contribute to the reaction. The Lithium 7 they ignored actually did NOT react but it did provide far more tritium than expected, making a nominal yield of 5 megatons actually deliver over 15 megatons. Opps. Lots 'a extra radiation, covering a much, much larger area than intended, both resulting in large- scale radiation contamination and of course, the resulting illnesses, short term and long term, as well as badly contaminating the Japanese fishing vessel 'Lucky Dragon No. 5', which is a fascinating, if very unfortunate, happening all by itself.
Castle Bravo was a secret thermonuclear test but the seismographic readings around the world and the huge doses of radiation found.... well, all over the place, kind of gave it away. It ended up being the largest weapon ever tested by the US (the Soviets would later test larger, actually MUCH larger devices) and the whole thing was a mistake.
Hope you were not at that one, although being that the test occurred in 1954, it would make you over 80 yrs. old and so probably not affected by the fallout at all.
Brian
Almost as awesome of getting a close up view when we tested Special Weapons back in the 1950's. Nothing like getting a blast of radioactive plasma in the face.
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The one that would have been best avoided was Castle Bravo; it was supposed to be a very large device, designed to yield ~5 megatons TNT equivalent. But like the old saying that only a very smart person can do truly vast damage because nobody would trust a fool with such important tasks in the first place, the physicists who designed the pit missed by a bit and assumed the majority of the material supplying the fusion fuel was not reactive and would not contribute to the reaction. The Lithium 7 they ignored actually did NOT react but it did provide far more tritium than expected, making a nominal yield of 5 megatons actually deliver over 15 megatons. Opps. Lots 'a extra radiation, covering a much, much larger area than intended, both resulting in large- scale radiation contamination and of course, the resulting illnesses, short term and long term, as well as badly contaminating the Japanese fishing vessel 'Lucky Dragon No. 5', which is a fascinating, if very unfortunate, happening all by itself.
Castle Bravo was a secret thermonuclear test but the seismographic readings around the world and the huge doses of radiation found.... well, all over the place, kind of gave it away. It ended up being the largest weapon ever tested by the US (the Soviets would later test larger, actually MUCH larger devices) and the whole thing was a mistake.
Hope you were not at that one, although being that the test occurred in 1954, it would make you over 80 yrs. old and so probably not affected by the fallout at all.
Brian
I always wondered if that was really an accident. Blowin' stuff up is fun. And if it's not too difficult to make your explosion bigger, especially when somebody else is paying, hey why not.
Well, OK, the 'why not' was all the radiated people ... but, boys and their toys.
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Almost as awesome of getting a close up view when we tested Special Weapons back in the 1950's. Nothing like getting a blast of radioactive plasma in the face.
You mean like these guys:
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24883218_1547677665280493_7316289644410877338_o.jpg?oh=ccf7736863bb0c7c5c8e9c4a04d6a29e&oe=5A917207)
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You mean like these guys:
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24883218_1547677665280493_7316289644410877338_o.jpg?oh=ccf7736863bb0c7c5c8e9c4a04d6a29e&oe=5A917207)
well.. in reality, and the fact that photo "could be taken" (and not been a black exposed blob), tells you the initial blast, and the GAMMA.... which is the evil invisible assassin, has already passed thru all those guys, probably 5 minutes prior,,, (and likely every one of them are dead..probably lucky ones 10 to 15 years ago, and most, well over 20 years back, by the timing of tertiary zone gamma studies, ) the resultant fallout is kinda like comparing a sunburn to a blowtorch, the fallout could be protected from, its dust... get in the tank, and get the 7734 outta there..) ...gamma... well kids, flash, too late.. that flash just covered a distance of 15 miles in about 2.8 seconds. ZAPPPPP.. you just got the intro to the microwave oven.. meh, bad comparison..
hey Brian, just gotta ask....
I know you as a person of knowledge, and have always liked ya'z (easy boyz), but the wiki thing, and in depth posting on every subject, seems a bit trite, (i.e. are you retired now? I am, but not by my choice.. oh, and I'm banned from the other place, for being a dick..for 80 more days... :hitfan: :stirpot: :deadhorse: excuse me, but my name "is" Richard.. so .. go figure.. (justbustinballs)
I really found the wiki about the ship, even more funny...
well, the title... ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Fukury%C5%AB_Maru
hope the auto-sensor doesn't preen the address because it has the correct combination of "bad words" if it could understand 'em..
Just how old is this Tree gentleman? I gotta ask, as my natural parents are all dead, and my G.Parents are also (they raised me), and nobody died of radiation related disease.. strangely..
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I really doubt that it was anything but a true mistake. Not because I am smart enough to follow the work they did but because on this level, no one does anything 'alone'. All of these projects are done by many people, all fully understanding all facets of the entire project. So it is simply impossible for any individual, or even a couple of people, to 'slip one past' everyone else and 'play' with a project like this.
Not my field and it is on the edge of my understanding but basically it seems they just missed the series of element conversions that would happen in the 'pit' or the reaction zone itself. The problem is compounded because this was a triple stage weapon, fission, boosted fission and fusion, I think. The problem was that the fusion fuel material was supposed to be Lithium 6, which was to produce tritium, the fuel for the fusion reaction, during the reaction. But more of the Lithium was the isotope Lithium 7, which was thought to be basically inert during the reaction and would simply absorb slow neutrons but it turned out to be very sensitive to fast neutrons, in turn breaking down into a helium AND a tritium atom, and this additional, unexpected tritium became the main fusion fuel of this weapon. So in the end, a very unfortunate and I believe, unforeseen event. The US tried to keep the whole thing quiet, both the weapons aspect as a military secret, but also the increased radiation fallout as a huge international 'oppsie' by the US which would have proven quite embarrassing and politically damaging.
But this is where the story takes another interesting twist; simply by analyzing the fallout, a British physicist named Joseph Rotblat figured out the design, the staging, and the relative yield of each stage of the weapon. Really quite extraordinary actually.
Stuff happens. And when one 'makes the neutrons dance' as Fermi and so many others after him have done, the results can be truly spectacular; both spectacularly good (the Soviets have used atomic 'devices' for very successful large- scale construction projects- seriously) and spectacularly bad such as the Castle Bravo incident. An auto mechanic might be able to kill a few people by making a mistake on, say, a vehicle braking system and causing a nasty auto accident. But that same mechanic simply does not ever have the ability to kill, say, 1,000 people or injure a similar number as he / she just does not ever get the ability to work on anything that can cause such an evil result. A rocket design team can kill and injure more people than the mechanic can but still, there is a pretty small limit to the physical injury or impact, although the monetary cost of his / her mistakes can be enormous. But those few, brilliant people who get to tinker with 'The Old One's' basic natural structures, on a nuclear level, well, they can really do some damage. Perhaps limitless damage. There were those among the Manhattan District Engineers who theorized that their "gadget" might act as a sort of spark plug and actually get the nitrogen in our own atmosphere to fuse, effectively turning the Earth into a star. Now that right here is a LOT of damage.
Brian
I always wondered if that was really an accident. Blowin' stuff up is fun. And if it's not too difficult to make your explosion bigger, especially when somebody else is paying, hey why not.
Well, OK, the 'why not' was all the radiated people ... but, boys and their toys.
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Aw, I like you too, big guy. But in a normal, healthy way, not like.... well, nevermind. :rotflmao:
Nope, not retired but I can waste a lot of time as I see fit as long as I deliver on what I have to do so this forum catches perhaps an undue amount of my ramblings. And by far, the great, no, huge number of topics I do not post about simply because I have no knowledge of them, or no interest in them (which causes the lack of knowledge). Just like everyone else, my knowledge is small and sorely lacking. But I do have a true fascination with the world we live in (the universe(s)), and I have been gifted with an excellent memory (not bragging here, I was born this way, just like my eyes are blue, not anything I did or had any choice in). Combine those two things and you get someone with a smattering of knowledge in a few different areas, all because I find them truly amazing read a bit about them and then remember it. A little bit of education thrown in really helped me put a lot of different facets of life together because they are interrelated and there you have it- just enough knowledge to confuse a few issues. :-)
But seriously, I do find the world around me utterly fascinating, as well as the path we all took (humanity) to get here. For example: I used to wonder how the ancients of the Bronze age figured out how to mix copper and tin to make bronze, a fairly sophisticated achievement when man could not yet make an animal- drawn cart. What is up with that. But with a little study in metallurgy, I learned that they did not know how to make 'bronze', only that the 'copper' they mined from some places was much, much stronger than the copper they mined from other areas. Cypress copper (I think that was where it came from) was highly valued as fantastic 'copper'. But that vein of copper had tin in it and totally by mistake, the ancient, simple societies stumbled on how to make a very strong metal, capable of heat treatment, three thousand years ago. Then came the 'black metal' (iron, sometimes turned into steel, again by mistake, 'magic' and happenstance) which was not all that well understood right through the mid- 1940's! The US made Libety ships by welding but did not yet know about hydrogen embrittlement, which they created in every weld, totally by mistake. When these ships were exposed to very low temperatures and contracted, the micro- cranking from the hydrogen embrittlement joined together and made one, long crack that traversed through the weld at over 3,000 feet per second. The first ships to suffer from this failure in the far northern waters of the Soviet Union (delivering Lend- Lease materials) were thought to be torpedoed because of the huge 'explosion' (the crack traveling) and the fact that they sunk in a matter of seconds. The 'fix' for this was a steel belt 3 feet tall, wrapped down both sides of the ships and riveted to them. But it would be quite a while longer before the true cause was found, studied and understood. And all I had to do to learn this was to read it out of a book after smart people studied it for years, decades and wrote it down.
I did my thesis on alternate valving methods for internal combustion engines. I did study in a structured environment for this but really it was my interest in I.C. engines since I was short that led to this; my work centered on and followed the work of Harry Ricardo of England, a real genius IMO. But there are good, sound reasons why some designs are better than others, and often very simple, direct reasons why some designs, such as a Wankle for example, is a lousy engine design that basically cannot be made 'good'. Again, all of this information is readily available, easy to find (mostly- Ricardo's book is quite rare but I did track down a copy!) and it teaches us lessons we should not have to learn over and over again. But some people are immune to good advice and ideas and so the Wankle, along with other lousy designs will not die because they are 'cool'. But my point is that anyone can learn almost anything one wants to and the world is gaining information now at an astounding rate, so more and more great info. is available every single day.
As far as the radiation, the really bad form is what are called 'hard gamma' rays, which along with X-rays, are ionizing radiation and quite damaging to tissue and chromosomes. The good news is that nuclear weapons give off relatively small amounts of that kind of radiation so watching the detonations is not the big risk; being bathed in the fallout is the real problem. When they swept up the 'black dust' falling on the 'Lucky Dragon', one seaman kept some of it and put it in his pillowcase to save. Really, really bad idea that cost him a lot of suffering and his life. But it was not emitting much ionizing radiation and had he not been sleeping on a pile of the stuff, he may have been mostly OK. The real danger of nuclear fallout is Alpha radiation which is so weak and onion skin or a sheet of paper will stop it, and so normally it poses no danger to humans; in fact, both reactor piles and most weapons are assembled by humans BY HAND in complete safety. The catch is if it gets into the lungs; then lung tissue is bombarded with alpha radiation and is destroyed and / or made malignant. Some have claimed plutonium oxide, a material routinely handled by humans with nothing more than surgical rubber gloves on, is the most potent toxin known to man..... if inhaled.
As to the banning, well, ya' do come on a bit strong Rich. Now for whatever reason in the world you have never annoyed me in the least- I seem immune to you (??) but I can see where sometimes you state things so blatantly and frankly, a little harshly that it annoys people. Well, some people- others it outright pisses off. :-) Now, I say this with love so take it for what it is worth. Maybe in the future, you could throw a little levity in your posts and maybe re- think the wording of some parts of your posts: remember, 'Jane, you ignorant slut' was only funny when Dan Akroyd said it, most of the time that is offensive to many. At any rate, your 'pee- pee slap' will expire and I assume all will settle down and everyone will live, so it is not that bad. As an aside, I absolutely LOVE Jerry Gowan- that guy says things that would make Archie Bunker shake his head. Anyway, I guess he is quite active on FaceTwit and was recently banned for a time.... and when he came back, he said a hearty hello to all and said that everyone should be careful what they say about Obama and Muslims or they too will get a 30 day ban. Too funny! My hero, not for his views but for the fact that he just spits out what he is thinking and frankly, it is kind of refreshing in our P.C. world. Often offensive, and always very non- P.C. but still, refreshing! ;D
Brian (who never sweeps or cleans up in any way- I can learn the lessons taught to others and not make the same mistake)
well.. in reality, and the fact that photo "could be taken" (and not been a black exposed blob), tells you the initial blast, and the GAMMA.... which is the evil invisible assassin, has already passed thru all those guys, probably 5 minutes prior,,, (and likely every one of them are dead..probably lucky ones 10 to 15 years ago, and most, well over 20 years back, by the timing of tertiary zone gamma studies, ) the resultant fallout is kinda like comparing a sunburn to a blowtorch, the fallout could be protected from, its dust... get in the tank, and get the 7734 outta there..) ...gamma... well kids, flash, too late.. that flash just covered a distance of 15 miles in about 2.8 seconds. ZAPPPPP.. you just got the intro to the microwave oven.. meh, bad comparison..
hey Brian, just gotta ask....
I know you as a person of knowledge, and have always liked ya'z (easy boyz), but the wiki thing, and in depth posting on every subject, seems a bit trite, (i.e. are you retired now? I am, but not by my choice.. oh, and I'm banned from the other place, for being a dick..for 80 more days... :hitfan: :stirpot: :deadhorse: excuse me, but my name "is" Richard.. so .. go figure.. (justbustinballs)
I really found the wiki about the ship, even more funny...
well, the title... ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Fukury%C5%AB_Maru
hope the auto-sensor doesn't preen the address because it has the correct combination of "bad words" if it could understand 'em..
Just how old is this Tree gentleman? I gotta ask, as my natural parents are all dead, and my G.Parents are also (they raised me), and nobody died of radiation related disease.. strangely..
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Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, I type fairly fast so my wordy posts do not take me all that long.
I learned to type using a Mavis Beacon typing tutor on an Atari 800 (that's right folks, a genuine, kerosene powered Atari!) but because I stole the software and had no instructions, I had no idea about 'home keys' and to this day, hold my hands very differently than most over a keyboard. And I had no idea what was 'good' or 'fast' so I kept at it until I could routinely type 100+ WPM and hit 120/ 130 on a good day. Not that fast anymore but still fairly quick.
Brian
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hey Brian, just gotta ask....
I know you as a person of knowledge, and have always liked ya'z (easy boyz), but the wiki thing, and in depth posting on every subject, seems a bit trite, (i.e. are you retired now? I am, but not by my choice..
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hey Brian, just gotta ask....
I know you as a person of knowledge, and have always liked ya'z (easy boyz), but the wiki thing, and in depth posting on every subject, seems a bit trite, (i.e. are you retired now? I am, but not by my choice.. oh, and I'm banned from the other place, for being a dick..for 80 more days... :hitfan: :stirpot: :deadhorse: excuse me, but my name "is" Richard.. so .. go figure.. (justbustinballs)
They banned you for being you? :rotflmao: Don't take that the wrong way, my friend. :rotflmao: ;)
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.... oh, and I'm banned from the other place, for being a dick..for 80 more days... :hitfan: :stirpot: :deadhorse:
You have no idea how funny I see this action :) It didn't have anything to do with a trash bag, hydrogen, and a lit cigarette did it ;)
If you can't remember, it was at T.W.O. a 'few' years back. After one or more adult beverages @ the campfire ;)
Rick
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You have no idea how funny I see this action :) It didn't have anything to do with a trash bag, hydrogen, and a lit cigarette did it ;)
If you can't remember, it was at T.W.O. a 'few' years back. After one or more adult beverages @ the campfire ;)
Rick
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no, it didn't involve explosive gasses.., but by odd coincidence it was because of something I said on that forum with regard to posting rules, and crap that followed up with people piling up and being dolts..., the other coincidence is, ( having nothing to do with my punishment), and I believe you witnessed it (at TWO, during the campfire thang..) my first moment of "confrontation", and what could be expected when someone spouts something to me/us without thinking.. remember the fellow that was bad mouthing COG (we, you and I, were both members then, and I got a plaque for being the "newest member").. and after the fellow went on and on, and said "why should I pay COG, I can just show up at a ride, and get all the same treatment and benefits...?"... which was followed by me standing up, walking over to him, and telling him I was gonna toss his azz into the creek behind me if he didn't shut his trap... :yikes: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :1DeadBanana
strangely, he decided to "part company at the bonfire...."
I kind of miss those days, we were all very good friends, and truly had innocent, and great fun