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Title: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 09, 2017, 10:50:46 AM
I bought a pair of BS BTO 23's last fall.I installed the rear and am replacing it after 6000 miles. Has a bit left but is down to the bars. The Angel GT on the front has 11000 miles on it so will put the 23 on the front.

Here is the dilemma. Jake Wilson has the 190/55ZR-17 (75W) Bridgestone Battlax Sport Touring T30 EVO-GT Rear for $149 with a $25 per tire rebate but you need to buy a pair.I am thinking of buying 2 rear tires. Problem is the riding season is getting close to over. I will wear the first one out by the middle/end of next year and the second by middle/end of summer 2019.  I lnow it depends on how fresh the tires I get are but does this sound like a plan? I plan on the next front being another Angel Gt so dont want to buy a pair.

My tire history thus far.
Angel GT rear- 5000 miles. Got thin and got 2 gravel road punctures days a part.

Angel Front- 11000 miles. No cupping and the angel eyes are still showing. About a1 inch plus flat strip.

Bridgestone  BTO  23 rear- 6000. Right at the wear bars

Wayne

Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: maxtog on August 09, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
The tires sitting in a "normal" temperature and humidity environment, out of direct sunlight, shouldn't deteriorate their life much at all.  So I wouldn't worry about it much.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 09, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
I put mine in plastic bags in the basement.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: gPink on August 09, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
I put mine in plastic bags in the basement.
Tires Jim, we're talking tires.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 09, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
Oh.....never mind then.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 10, 2017, 09:56:25 AM
From Avons website

http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/faqs (http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/faqs)

"What is the age limit of Motorcycle Tyres?
The British Rubber Manufacturers Association advise tyres should be used within 6 years of manufacture. The tyre should then be removed after a total of 10 years. Avon recommend tyres should be used within 5 years of manufacture. The tyre should then be removed after a total of 7 years"

Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 10, 2017, 10:32:24 AM
I put mine in plastic bags in the basement.
Tires Jim, we're talking tires.
Oh.....never mind then.
   :rotflmao:

You two should be on TV, or maybe a cruise ship act.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 10, 2017, 01:15:50 PM
Turned out to be  moot point. Called in the order and they said I could still get the rebate for one tire. $25 a tire, limit of 4. I sure like doing business with Jake Wilson. New shoe  on day.
WAYNE
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 11, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
   :rotflmao:

You two should be on TV, or maybe a cruise ship act.

That's a great idea.   I can be the ventriloquist and well, you know, the other part of the act could be filled in by you know who.. ;)

Wait a minute, we already have a ventriloquist as a member!  Hopefully he can give us some tips.
 
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: gPink on August 11, 2017, 03:04:15 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 11, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
 :)   Endless fun.... :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: sanmo on August 12, 2017, 08:02:55 AM
An old couple...married for a long time....very comfortable with each other........really heartwarming to observe......  :grouphug:
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 12, 2017, 08:55:47 AM
That's a great idea.   I can be the ventriloquist and well, you know, the other part of the act could be filled in by you know who.. ;)

:)   Endless fun.... :rotflmao:

.....very comfortable with each other........

Quote from: gPink
(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22704.0;attach=28505;image)

Sorry 'Pink, no strings, all indications are that he wants his hand up your bum so he can put words in your mouth.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: gPink on August 12, 2017, 09:01:51 AM
I might dance to his tune but that's as far as it goes.... :o
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: PH14 on August 12, 2017, 10:33:02 AM


Wait a minute, we already have a ventriloquist as a member!  Hopefully he can give us some tips.

I think you guys are doing fine on your own.  ;D
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 12, 2017, 11:19:36 AM
Glad to hear it worked out for you Wayne.

I think we can all see that these guys are not going to be of any help. One apparently has his arm up the..... well, you get the picture.

But as to the general question: I do not know how long tires stay 'fresh' but the only ones I have seen that are clearly old and in bad shape, with cracked and checked sidewalls, are really very old- more than 20 years old. In fact, I had a lawn tractor cart tire that would not hold air, so I filled it with that 'Flate a Flat' foaming junk and it literally oozed out of both sidewalls of the tire. Guess I got my money's worth out of that one. And as it turns out, a Harbor Freight tire changing machine will not adjust small enough to grab that little wheel so I wrestled with the little guy all over the garage floor. I am confident it would have been hysterical... if only someone else was sweating and losing a lousy contest to begin with.....

Brian

Turned out to be  moot point. Called in the order and they said I could still get the rebate for one tire. $25 a tire, limit of 4. I sure like doing business with Jake Wilson. New shoe  on day.
WAYNE
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 12, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
Thanks! ADD is rampant around here. 8)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 12, 2017, 02:35:56 PM
Yeah but it is part of the place's charm.....

But seriously, this thread got excessively de- railed. Normally, in and amongst the fun, your question will get answered. And in a case like this, by all means 'bang on the door again' by asking the question all over again, perhaps even in a new but identical thread, assigning a number or using the word "AGAIN".

This is a <usually> fun mix of camaraderie and knowledge..... but sometimes the camaraderie (which is what I am calling the 'Dummy and dirty arm' show) gets in the way.

 ;) ;D

Brian

Thanks! ADD is rampant around here. 8)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 12, 2017, 05:21:51 PM
Yep. I get a lot of very useful info here as well as plenty of entertainment
Wayne
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 12, 2017, 07:18:39 PM
Well then it is worth every penny you paid for it....   ;) ;D

Brian

Yep. I get a lot of very useful info here as well as plenty of entertainment
Wayne
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 13, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
And in a case like this, by all means 'bang on the door again' by asking the question all over again, perhaps even in a new but identical thread, assigning a number or using the word "AGAIN".

Yeah, that's all we need, something else to get max' all stirred up about. (https://media.giphy.com/media/LkMja2OMTYE1i/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: maxtog on August 13, 2017, 12:32:27 PM
Yeah, that's all we need, something else to get max' all stirred up about. (https://media.giphy.com/media/LkMja2OMTYE1i/giphy.gif)

Yep, nothing better than dozens of nearly identical threads...
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 13, 2017, 12:39:48 PM
Nice Marty, now ya' got the beast half- awake and watching us.....

:-)

It is OK Max, storage is getting cheaper every day. Or as Michael Scott said: "Limitless paper for a paperless world" in the company ad.   :rotflmao:  Because really, if you are going to cull all the good from the bad and get rid of the bad, which two threads would you keep, and do we really need both of them?

Brian

Yep, nothing better than dozens of nearly identical threads...
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: PH14 on August 13, 2017, 01:56:26 PM
Sorry, I figured the post from mikeyw64 had cleared it up.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: maxtog on August 13, 2017, 02:21:48 PM
It is OK Max, storage is getting cheaper every day. Or as Michael Scott said: "Limitless paper for a paperless world" in the company ad.   :rotflmao:  Because really, if you are going to cull all the good from the bad and get rid of the bad, which two threads would you keep, and do we really need both of them?

It isn't about storage, but having to wade through more stuff later when trying to find something and also re-answering the same questions over and over.  Many new threads have weak response because people already spent significant time on the topic in the past.  I prefer to try and point people to previous discussions as answers, when possible (there is a LOT of good stuff out there).  Of course, nothing is perfect, but...

which oil is best for the Concours?
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 02:25:33 PM


which oil is best for the Concours?
depends whether you're talking about engine oil, final drive oil, general lubricating oil, snake oil ?

You really need to be more specific  ;)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
Sorry, I figured the post from mikeyw64 had cleared it up.

cheers

and for those who like to provide links to existing forum posts here it is :)


http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=22704.msg281431#msg281431 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=22704.msg281431#msg281431)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: maxtog on August 13, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
LOL

That might be a little circular.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
It isn't about storage, but having to wade through more stuff later when trying to find something and also re-answering the same questions over and over.  Many new threads have weak response because people already spent significant time on the topic in the past.  I prefer to try and point people to previous discussions as answers, when possible (there is a LOT of good stuff out there).  Of course, nothing is perfect, but...



Ok whilst that may be true for people who have been here since the year dot not everyone remembers or reads every single thread especially if they cam in somewhere between the start & the present.


Yes this may be a new thread on a subject that has been covered before and some individuals may find it a little irritating  and enjoy posting multiple links to previous threads on the same topic  with the view that is useful however..................



If it hadn't been for this thread I wouldn't have provided the answer I did which I'm reasonably certain hasn't been given before.

:D
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 13, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
Absolutely and utterly true. But no way around it that I know of.... other than perhaps much stricter moderation, which will not work either 'cause if some (most? almost all?) of us cannot squeeze in a joke or a snide remark or go OFFTOPIC: somewhat, I suspect there will not be many posters.

OFFTOPIC: is about everything I can think of to do to mark a post as not relevant to the current conversation.

Brian

It isn't about storage, but having to wade through more stuff later when trying to find something and also re-answering the same questions over and over.  Many new threads have weak response because people already spent significant time on the topic in the past.  I prefer to try and point people to previous discussions as answers, when possible (there is a LOT of good stuff out there).  Of course, nothing is perfect, but...

which oil is best for the Concours?
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 13, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
And seriously, that is great for information purposes for the readers. A link beats the hell out of what I normally say which is something like 'more information around here if you look', which is my lame- butt way of saying I cannot remember where it is.

Anywya, this thread has gone on long enough that any tires that were new when it was started are surely ozone- attacked and dead by now anyway.

:-)

Brian

cheers

and for those who like to provide links to existing forum posts here it is :)


http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=22704.msg281431#msg281431 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=22704.msg281431#msg281431)
Title: This Post not relevant to the main thread
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
you could always edit the subject line to help make the point ;)

Absolutely and utterly true. But no way around it that I know of.... other than perhaps much stricter moderation, which will not work either 'cause if some (most? almost all?) of us cannot squeeze in a joke or a snide remark or go OFFTOPIC: somewhat, I suspect there will not be many posters.

OFFTOPIC: is about everything I can think of to do to mark a post as not relevant to the current conversation.

Brian
Title: Re: Tire dilema, how old is too old? < I think>
Post by: B.D.F. on August 13, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
Personal preference but I never do that and do not care for it; I remember thread names and when they change, without starting a new thread, it confuses me. When I log in and see the 'new since last time' titles, I think the changed thread titles are new threads and may ignore a thread I was watching or go read a thread I could not care less about. Oh, the horror....

Remember, we are Colonists after all..... :-)

Brian

you could always edit the subject line to help make the point ;)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: maxtog on August 13, 2017, 03:26:55 PM
Ok whilst that may be true for people who have been here since the year dot not everyone remembers or reads every single thread especially if they cam in somewhere between the start & the present.

Search is handy

Quote
Yes this may be a new thread on a subject that has been covered before

This whole thing was a topic change (which I didn't initiate).  This thread is a new (and even interesting) question that has never been asked before (to my knowledge).  I was responding to a generalized tease that has nothing to do with this thread.
Title: Re: Tire dilema, how old is too old? < I think>
Post by: maxtog on August 13, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
Personal preference but I never do that and do not care for it; I remember thread names and when they change, without starting a new thread, it confuses me.

Changing an existing thread subject is rarely warranted unless the original subject was meaningless such as:

Help needed!
What do you think?
What does this error mean?
Best stuff ever

All threads tend to drift, those that drift too much (at least into another specific subject instead of just chatter) "should" be split into new threads, but that isn't typical for zggtr.org.  Admittedly it can be confusing to split threads.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: PH14 on August 13, 2017, 08:32:54 PM
Speaking of tires, how bout that nitrogen?   :stirpot:
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 13, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
Well it wasn't all for naught, I found out that V'Jim has a basement.  :)
Title: Adding fuel to the fire
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
I was responding to a generalized tease that has nothing to do with this thread.

But surely that has the same overall effect as indulging in the teasing and adds to the post count in a thread without contributing anything of value to the thread ?

:popcorn:

Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
Speaking of tires, how bout that nitrogen?   :stirpot:

I run 78% nitrogen in my tyres  ;D
Title: BTW
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 13, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
It's changinging the "Post" subject line *not* changing the "Thread" subject line, only The OP or a Mod can do that :D
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 14, 2017, 08:21:12 AM
An interesting comment Marty. Freaking scary and very disconcerting but interesting.

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Brian

Well it wasn't all for naught, I found out that V'Jim has a basement.  :)
Title: Re: BTW
Post by: B.D.F. on August 14, 2017, 08:25:26 AM
Yep, but it shows up in my searches for unread posts with the new title the poster can alter. At least I think so. Maybe not. After that John Sedgewick debacle, I am not sure what I type or even what I read, now.

 ;D

Brian

It's changinging the "Post" subject line *not* changing the "Thread" subject line, only The OP or a Mod can do that :D
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 14, 2017, 10:00:10 AM
Speaking of tires, how bout that nitrogen?   :stirpot:

I actually tried it once, but eventually it all got mixed up with real air.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 14, 2017, 10:25:35 AM
Hey guys, I resolved my dilemma. :D ;D 8) Carry on.
Wayne
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 14, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
I thought you resolved you dilemma back when you posted in post #7, a couple of pages ago. ?? ?? Seriously, did you not do the buy one get one rebate, buy four, get four rebates and bought new tires?

Brian

Hey guys, I resolved my dilemma. :D ;D 8) Carry on.
Wayne
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: kzz1king on August 14, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
Waiting on the UPS Guy
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: sanmo on August 14, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
Sorry 'Pink, no strings, all indications are that he wants his hand up your bum so he can put words in your mouth.

Yeah, the nerve of the guy. Using a marionette as chaff while the real subject matter is this very odd "handshake" among two longtime buddies.... ;D

Back to the topic at hand, the OP had this dilemma of feeling old and tired?
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 15, 2017, 11:00:05 AM
....old and tired?

..or was it old and tireless?
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 15, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
I don't think those two go together.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: sanmo on August 15, 2017, 06:24:22 PM
..or was it old and tireless?

Indeed. Initially he was tireless, then the UPS guy delivered and he was tired. Don't recall the brand he got. Stayed old, though.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: gPink on August 15, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: PH14 on August 15, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
This thread is losing traction.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: mikeyw64 on August 16, 2017, 01:07:30 AM
maybe it would help if it was sticky
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: tweeter55 on August 16, 2017, 05:09:01 AM
maybe it would help if it was sticky

I put a sticky note on my monitor....Nope, didn't help.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: B.D.F. on August 16, 2017, 06:48:06 AM
I knew a guy who had a sticky monitor..... and I never shook hands with him because of it.

Brian

I put a sticky note on my monitor....Nope, didn't help.
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: just gone on August 16, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
I knew a guy who had a sticky monitor.....

Laptop?
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: gPink on August 16, 2017, 08:30:40 AM
 :1DeadBanana
Title: Re: Tire dilemma How old is to old?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 16, 2017, 09:47:44 AM
Thank you!