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http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter.
A Texas father caught a man sexually assaulting his 4-year-old daughter and punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him, authorities said.
The father was casually acquainted with the alleged abuser, said Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon.
Neither has been publicly identified.
The girl was left inside the family's house during the social gathering, while other members of her family were tending to horses, the sheriff said.
The alleged abuser was known for his horse-grooming abilities, Harmon said.
The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times, Harmon said.
The man was pronounced dead on the scene, while the daughter was taken to a local hospital in Victoria, Texas, for examinations before being released.
The incident took place Saturday.
Harmon described the girl as "OK besides the obvious mental trauma."
Asked whether they would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."
Harmon described the dad as "very remorseful," adding that he didn't know the man was going to die.
Authorities were withholding the deceased man's name while they notified next of kin. Officials did not know immediately if he has a prior criminal history.
Lavaca County Precinct Judge Alene Lyons, who is coordinating information in the case including autopsy results, said Monday
that a preliminary autopsy report indicated the victim "died from blunt-force head and neck injuries."
"It will take six weeks to get the full report back because they also did a toxicology report," Lyons said.
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I'm ok with what the father did.
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I'm ok with what the father did.
I think almost any father will agree with you. I know this one does.
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a preliminary autopsy report indicated the victim "died from blunt-force head and neck injuries.
First this guy was not a victim. Second the cause of death was the perps own actions. DRT
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I don't see a problem here. The little girl was the ONLYvictim
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If a grand jury indicts teh father of anything, that I am sure will cause a huge uproar as it should.
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Way to go dad!! >:( I can't imagine what I would do in the same situation. I don't think I would be remorseful though. I'd probably try to prolong the bastards agony.
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No one thinks twice about putting a mad dog down.
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The perv brought it on himself. Who knows how many other children he has already done this to?
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This is what the other side is saying, I don't agree with her.
News & Views
Say What!?
Dad Accused of Beating Daughter's 'Molester' to Death Is No Hero
Posted by Jeanne Sageron June 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM .Prepare to feel conflicted. A father who says he found a man trying to molest his 4-year-old may be facing a whole other kind of trial. Cops in Shiner, Texas, say the little girl's dad put a stop to the assault then beat the man to death.
So far what cops will do with the dad remains up in the air. I'm not surprised; there's no easy answer here for them. Say you were put on a jury to face a case like that. Would you be able to make a decision that would let you go to bed that night with a clear conscience? I don't think I would.
...I want to say that the fatal beating the Lavaca County sheriff says happened in a family house (no names have been released to protect the sexual assault victim's identity) on Sunday afternoon was the right thing and cheer from the rooftops.
More from The Stir: Teen's Random Murder by Store Clerk Should Put Us All on Edge
I'm a parent, for cripes sakes. I never want to see a child being hurt in any fashion. Just last night I sat in my house with my heart beating fast against my chest because I'd heard a rumor that a local teen had to be airlifted out of an accident scene (good news: it was one of those exaggerations that spreads on Facebook -- she's fine). In that sense, if the allegation of abuse is true, then I would have been shaking with anger and horror both. If I were that father, I would have wanted to kill that man.
But wanted to does not equal would have.
Consider this: when you take justice into your own hands, what happens? You get in trouble. You, the person who, up until that very moment, was in the right.
You may say it's "worth it" because the other person got what you thought was "coming," but you are forever marred by having sunk to the criminal level. You are what you profess to despise.
I can imagine that if this dad beat this man, he thought he was doing it for the right reasons. I hope that the police and prosecutors treat this whole case with that in mind. But there is no way to walk away from this one feeling anything but conflicted, is there?
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I for one have never bought into the "sink to their level" thing very much. What the father did is not the same thing as molesting a child. Anyone can see that difference unless they don't want to (the case with this article, I think).
Even if you see it as a choice b/w the lesser of the two evils, it's pretty clear you should side with the father.
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I agree wipfel, these types of "articles" are posted as a way to stir people up and generate ratings and viewings by so called "journalists". Many fall for it and threads and posts devolve into name calling and polarizing comments and everyone gets mad, and yet, in the end, the vast majority agrees and understands what the father did. I myself would sleep quite soundly knowing a POS oxygen thief like that was permanently taken by me while in the act of doing what he was doing to someone in my family. And I could hold my head up while walking down the street knowing I did it.
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A person who commits atrocious, evil acts has lost any semblance of humanity and should be treated as one would treat a bad animal. Dead...Right...There!
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter.
A Texas father caught a man sexually assaulting his 4-year-old daughter and punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him, authorities said.
The father was casually acquainted with the alleged abuser, said Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon.
Neither has been publicly identified.
The girl was left inside the family's house during the social gathering, while other members of her family were tending to horses, the sheriff said.
The alleged abuser was known for his horse-grooming abilities, Harmon said.
The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times, Harmon said.
The man was pronounced dead on the scene, while the daughter was taken to a local hospital in Victoria, Texas, for examinations before being released.
The incident took place Saturday.
Harmon described the girl as "OK besides the obvious mental trauma."
Asked whether they would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."
Harmon described the dad as "very remorseful," adding that he didn't know the man was going to die.
Authorities were withholding the deceased man's name while they notified next of kin. Officials did not know immediately if he has a prior criminal history.
Lavaca County Precinct Judge Alene Lyons, who is coordinating information in the case including autopsy results, said Monday
that a preliminary autopsy report indicated the victim "died from blunt-force head and neck injuries."
"It will take six weeks to get the full report back because they also did a toxicology report," Lyons said.
That's what a loving father would do to protect their children. Hope the little girl heals from this terrible act.
The victim deserved the punishment however harsh it may seem.
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I only have once thing to say.....
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Beat on the pervs!
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I will do what ever it takes to protect my children or any child that has been entrusted to my care by their parents. I'm thinking the "journalist" who posted that article has no children or she would understand this.
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The perv crossed a line that should result in his death (and it did), no matter who's child it is.
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He got less than what he deserved.
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First up there are a lot of victims ,the girl ,the father ,the family and the family of the man who died .
Who is to blame for the mans death ? Himself probably. Unless he belonged in a metal instituion and was not in one because of lack of space etc or maybe a parole board who let him out.
It takes a far bit to kill someone by just punching him ,but there was enough provication that anyone could loose control . The father will never forget it, both he and his daughter will need a lot of help to get over it .
One good thing is it will probably reduce these types of assults on children for a while as some of those people who do it will be very worried they may face FATHER justice not the so called "legal Sytem "
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The dad made only one mistake in my opinion.
He didn't get rid of the body. Now how hard is a hole, some lime, and a little water, come on man.
His attorney should have a field day with it, if it gets that far.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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More details on this story.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/us/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/us/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
Shiner, Texas (CNN) -- Shiner is a place you can raise your cattle and chickens under the hot Texas sun, cool off with a bottle from the Lone Star State's oldest independent brewery, then go to bed knowing all your neighbors and believing that you'll be safe.
But a few days ago, one of its trademark ranches turned into a crime scene. That's when a father spotted a man sexually assaulting his 5-year-old daughter, then beat the alleged abuser to death.
In a community that prides itself as being peaceful, a place where things like this just don't happen, there is a sweeping consensus that justice was served.
"Any father would have done that," Michael James Veit, whose son graduated with the father from Shiner High School in 2007 and who now lives across the road from the ranch where the killing took place, said Thursday. "Everybody is saying the father is justified."
According to the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, the 23-year-old father and his family were enjoying a barbecue last Saturday at their ranch on Shiner's outskirts where they keep horses and chickens.
His young daughter had gone off toward the barn, to feed the chickens, the child's grandfather -- who isn't being named, to protect the identity of his granddaughter -- told CNN affiliates KSAT and KPRC.
Then her father heard screaming and ran. He found a 47-year-old man in the act of sexually abusing his daughter, according to Sheriff Mica Harmon.
The father stopped the alleged abuser, then pounded him repeatedly in the head.
"I jumped the fence and saw the man on the ground," the grandfather said of what he first saw. "At that point, I didn't know if he was dead or not."
Authorities did, in fact, pronounce the alleged abuser dead. Lavaca County Precinct Judge Alene Lyons said Monday that a preliminary autopsy report shows he "died from blunt-force head and neck injuries," adding toxicology report results should be back in six weeks.
Harmon described the victim as an acquaintance of the family, known for his horse-grooming abilities. He has not been publicly identified by authorities.
The father himself called 911, telling them that his daughter's alleged abuser was lying, beaten, on the ground. Afterward, the sheriff said that the admitted killer appeared "very remorseful" and didn't know the other man would die at the scene.
Asked whether authorities would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed, we will submit it to the district attorney, who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."
Neighbors portrayed the father as hard-working, friendly and polite, the type of guy who reliably addresses others as "Sir."
"He's not a violent guy. He's never been in any trouble in his life," Veit said of a man he described as a single father who worked nobly to make ends meet. "He's a good, honest, hard-working kid."
Most any violence is unexpected in Shiner, a community between Houston and San Antonio that has about 2,000 people within its city limits and another 1,500 or so on its outskirts, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Billing itself as the "Cleanest Little City in Texas," Shiner is known for the Spoetzl Brewery, a wire and plastics company, not to mention its acres upon acres of plains and farms. Veit calls it "a small-town community," filled with folks who may not be wealthy but who work hard and look out for one another.
"Nothing ever happens. There's never any murders here," Veit said. "Everybody knows everybody and gets along with everybody. (This killing) is a real big shock."
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Ultimately, if his daughter ever recalls what that piece of crap did to her when she is older, she will never have to ask her Daddy why he didn't do something to protect her. I would not have hesitated, and I promise he would have never had the chance to do it again.....
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Not only JUSTICE, but think of all the other kids in the world this dad saved. These kids are scarred for life because of these scum-bags.
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My hat's off to this fellow Texan. He handled the situation as I hope I would if I would have caught anyone molesting my children or my grandkids.
You never know how you woud handle a situation as this. And this father did great.
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Good for him.
In my state, this crime is specifically enumerated for use of deadly force.
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Now get the rest of the molesters. :thumbs:
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Having been married to some one who suffered at the hands of a molester and having dealt with the latent trama that ensues later in life I can only say Good job Dad. Also being a parent and knowing the bond that exists between a father and a daughter I can see how that situation would cause a man to beat some one to death without even realising you've done it. To me this man had a natural reaction in defense of his daughter. Once again Good Job Dad.
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;D ;D ;D
On MSN this morning:
Cops won't charge dad who killed his daughter's abuser
4 hrs ago
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■'Hero' dad kills man who allegedly abused his daughter
Opinions were sharply divided about what should happen to the dad from Shiner, Texas, who used his bare hands to beat to death a man he reportedly caught sexually assaulting his 5-year-old daughter. Now police have announced their verdict: The father won't be charged. "He was just protecting his daughter and doing what he thought he had to do to protect his daughter," said Sheriff Micah Harmon from the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, adding that he believes the father is remorseful for his actions. Harmon concluded that the incident had been "traumatizing" for the girl and her family -- something everyone is sure to agree on.
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On a lighter side, when the daughter comes of age, she is going to have a tough time finding a date for the prom..
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On a lighter side, when the daughter comes of age, she is going to have a tough time finding a date for the prom..
I was going to get a t-shirt form down town Eureka Springs that said "Guns dont kill people; Fathers with teenage daughters kill people"
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On a lighter side, when the daughter comes of age, she is going to have a tough time finding a date for the prom..
And the problem with this is ......... ;D
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Under Texas law, had the Dad used gun and killed the molester, the shooting would have been justified.
I don't care if he used a weed whacker, he did what every other father would have done. I don't see this going to trial. How can you find 12 jury members who would blame the father??
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I was going to get a t-shirt form down town Eureka Springs that said "Guns dont kill people; Fathers with teenage daughters kill people"
That would be a good one to wear on your daughter's first date.
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By the way, the grand jury no billed the guy today!!!!
Justice prevails ;D
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That would be a good one to wear on your daughter's first date.
...while cleaning the guns when her date comes over... ;D
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I took my duaghters boyfriend target shooting with my G22. Now he knows. ;D
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Sharpening an axe or a sword.
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I like this one better :rotflmao: :shoot:
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