Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C10, aka Kawasaki Concours - The Original => The Bike - C10 => Topic started by: LessPaul on November 20, 2013, 08:53:53 AM
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Greetings all!
Brand new to this forum...hoping for some (subjective) input.
I'm getting back into riding after a lengthy haitus. I rode in my 20s (I'm 58 now)...rode the wheels off my original CB350, and my brother's Suzuki 750 water buffalo frequently. When I got married, the new wife dug her heels in on my continuing my riding days. My 22 year old son also has owned mopeds and motorcycles for several years and we wrench on them together. Fast forward to a couple months ago when my wife unexpected volunteered that she'd be okay with my owning a bike again. My brother (who usually has half a dozen bikes in his possession at any given time) has been on me to pull the trigger.
I'm looking for a significant sport/touring bike with fairing and reasonably upright riding position. Found a 1987 Concours on CL about an hour away from me. 27K actual miles, recent new tires, tuneup, valve adjustment, a few extras. Looks to be in wonderful shape. He wants $2,000 for it.
Looks to be a pretty fair deal, also given that the riding season is over in West Michigan.
Here's the listing: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/mcy/4164205368.html (http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/mcy/4164205368.html)
Input? Opinions?
Thanx a ton!
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Being as it is currently being ridden it is probably a good deal. Sitting bikes can be very expensive to get back on the road. Look in the tank for signs of rust as this leads to carb problems down the road. The price is a little high I think (IMHO), but it does have a lot of farkles (extras). Maybe offer $1,500 cash and see what happens. from 1986 thru 2006 the only main mechanical difference is how many miles are on the bike. There was a front end and dash upgrade for 1994 models.
They are top heavy so make sure you are prepared for it before you just take off on a test drive. They are worse just as you are preparing to stop.
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It's probably safe to assume that a 28 yo motorcycle with
only 27K miles hasn't seen a lot of maintenance.
Age as well as use factor into the service life of most components.
Be aware you may be opening a Pandora's Box of neglected upkeep.
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Thanx, gentlemen.
Low miles is good, but too low makes me wonder as well. I suspect it has a number of years in its past where it went unused, or only very, very lightly. 27K on a 10 year old bike would still be on the low side. But this was apparently the guy's commuter bike for 5 years, and it certainly looks well cared for. I would think/hope that any little-use issues have been addressed.
I'll learn more when I take a look this weekend.
I get the top-heavy part. Seems to be a frequent comment/complaint. I'm sure I'll have a period of adjustment.
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It all depends on how well it has been taken care of. I bought a 1985 Honda Nighthawk S in 1986 and just sold it a couple of years ago. It looked as near to brand new as one can get even though it sat unused (and covered) in my garage for many years. I kept the float bowls drained and discarded the worn out battery. Replaced with new battery, spiffied it up and out it went.
Dan
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When you described yourself, you described a lot of us.
and,,,, Being Connie Riders, some of us might be interested in an 86, just because it's an 86.
So, your talking to the right crowd.
If you look a bit, you could easily find a Connie in the 2000-2006 that is within $1000/$1500 of the price your looking at.
That said; this bike looks very clean. So it must have been garage kept.
Whomever rode it, added comfort Farkles, not shiny gidgets.
So, it may be a good deal.
If you do buy the bike,,,,, let us know, and we'll give you info to help you do any reapirs you think are needed.
Ride safe, Ted
PS: COG is putting on our Club 25 Anniversary National this year. (Tennessee)
We would really like to see as many 86 Connies there as possible. (Hint, hint)
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Thanx, guys. All great input. ;D
I also have the advantage of picking my brother's brain. He's owned a ton of bikes over the years and likes a lot of what I like. He came close to buying one of these a year ago and has nothing but good things to say about them. Once I dove into the Connies a bit, I quickly became enamored with the idea of owning one myself.
All that aside, I'm just floored my wife unit did such a voluntary turnabout. I think my son kinda ran interference for me. She figured if she could accept her 22 year old son riding a hard tail V-twin chopper, she could get over me having something to ride.
I have plans to convert her to passenger status as well. 8) I figure one ride to Lake Michigan down the back roads on a warm summer day, and she'll be all in.
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I'm pretty new here so keep that in mind but I would try to negotiate the price a bit. I know price can be influenced by many factors such as area, number of similar bikes for sale, time of year, a multitude of bike related factors, etc. but I just paid $2800 for an '06 with 31K miles.
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An education link. This guy is spot on.
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/intake-and-exhaust
Disclaimer: I know and ride with Steve.
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As an owner of two 86's, I know the bike can be just fine despite the years. I do think the price is pretty optimistic though and would agree with a $1500 offer, or even less. There will be things to fix and upgrade....you just don't know what they will be yet. Of course, that's true with any used bike. Hey, if you get it, bring it down to next years COG national rally in Tennesee! We are expecting a bunch of original year bikes for a photo opp.
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Talked with the owner last nite. Settled on $1700, providing I like what I see when I take a look this Saturday.
I'm happy with that. $1700 seems pretty good for a big sport/tourer with plenty of goodies and low miles.
I know if I was willing to throw $3,000 at it, I could get one with equivalent miles and 10 years old. But I'm just getting back into this, with a wife that's only grudgingly okay the idea. If I can get back into it with a bike and riding gear for $2K, that sounds like a plan to me.
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>>SNIP<< If I can get back into it with a bike and riding gear for $2K, that sounds like a plan to me.
Plus, that'll give you some xtra funds to join in the Michigan R-t-E's next year with us here in the "Mitt"! ;D
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Knowing what I have learned on the forum I wouldn't buy one without doing the bent rod test caused by a previous hydrolock event.
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LessPaul,,,, I didn't see where anyone suggested a very important item to spend a few $$ on.
Before/when/after you get it,,,, join the COG!
You won't regret it.
Great folks!
Ride safe, Ted
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Dean.....when and where for the MI event? I'm in Grand Rapids.
Thanks to all for the comments. Good bunch here. 8)
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Dean.....when and where for the MI event? I'm in Grand Rapids. Thanks to all for the comments. Good bunch here. 8)
There was no "defined" R-t-E schedule in the past, but that may change with the coming year. Usually it was on the 3rd wknd of the month, starting in April & alternating on saturday & Sunday. During the last year or two, it's been hit-n-miss at best... One of the recurring events that quite a few west-side riders have been attending is the annual Stockbridge, Mi "All Brands" day in mid-Sept....
- We have been to the Clifford Lake Inn in Stanton a couple of times & IIRC, we had a gathering & ride from the Common Ground "Biker Church" on Fulton St. with the ride taking in the sights around Gun Lake about 2-3 times ;D, but I won't say who the ride leader was :-X
- Deep fried hot-dogs were consumed at the Salty Dog in Jonesville
- a great turkey dinner was enjoyed at "Turkeyville" in Marshall
- Back in '05, we had a "Sunrise-to-Sunset" ride, watching the sunrise thru a break in cloud cover at the Port Austin pier, then riding thru a nasty thunderstorm which lasted a good 1.5 hrs., made our way over to Teecro's home near St.Joe , where we feasted on good bbq. Come to think of it, we never did head over to the big lake to see the sunset, about 3 miles away, due to serious cloud cover...
- The Irish Hills area has also been the basis for more than a couple of R-t-E's as well
- I've also been known to host a few events into the abyss south of us also known as Ohio ;D
Just keep tabs on all both of the Concours Forums for last-minute gatherings...
ALSO, please feel free to host an event. Drop the new AAD, Stan Visser(aka: Stasch) a note & post it up here, stating; What, Where, When, & What Time...... by the way, does Rosies Diner in Rockford have group seating, wink, wink, nudge, nudge??? ;)
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Unfortunately, Rosie's Diner is no more. It was about 5 miles north of where I live.
And....the Concours I was looking at is no longer under "serious consideration."
It's now parked in my garage. ;D
I'm amped!
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:chugbeer: :chugbeer:
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Unfortunately, Rosie's Diner is no more. It was about 5 miles north of where I live.
And....the Concours I was looking at is no longer under "serious consideration."
It's now parked in my garage. ;D
I'm amped!
Way to go! :thumbs:
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No way to ride it before buying. 5" of snow on the ground when I arrived to check it out. But I was pretty confident after seeing it. Took my brother (lifetime rider) with me. He gave it the thumbs-up, and that was good enough for me.
Once I got some dry pavement to work with on Sunday, I was able to get it out for a thorough run-thru. Measured up just fine.
....just in time to winterize and put it under wraps until spring. Now I have all winter to shop riding gear and whatnot.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1475816_10152016922150861_714585357_n.jpg)
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No way to ride it before buying. 5" of snow on the ground when I arrived to check it out. But I was pretty confident after seeing it. Took my brother (lifetime rider) with me. He gave it the thumbs-up, and that was good enough for me.
Once I got some dry pavement to work with on Sunday, I was able to get it out for a thorough run-thru. Measured up just fine.
....just in time to winterize and put it under wraps until spring. Now I have all winter to shop riding gear and whatnot.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1475816_10152016922150861_714585357_n.jpg)
Sweet!
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Congrats!!
Ride safe, Ted
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If you don't have overflow tubes on the carbs, do yourself a favor and send them to Steve to have it done. You don't
want any parts of the dreaded 'Hydrolock'.. Read Steve's section on Overflow Tubes for Absolute Hydrolock Protection
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/intake-and-exhaust
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It's already got 'em. Thanx!
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Add some air to the rear tire of the car in the picture. Other than that, nice looking bike.
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Was waiting for someone to pick up on that. ;) It's my daughter's handicapper special (hand controls), and she's still working on her license. It sits most of the time and has a slow leak in that tire. Have since filled it up.
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Welcome to the forum LessPaul
I have an 86 to, bought it with 47k and now has 80k, been a very good dependable bike with basic maintenance witch i do most of myself thanks to the great people here on this site.
please ride safe and take your time getting use to it, specially when pushing it around or doing a slow turn, at first i had more then a few Oh S$$t moments but i learned not to lean the bike much and keep it straight up as possible even when turning and that helped me a lot with the top-heavy stuff, im only 5.7 and can't flat foot the bike so people who can flat foot it with both feet might not have as hard a time as i did but as i said i got use to it, been riding it just over 5 years now.
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Hey Jet! I'm very wary of the tipiness thing. Got some dry pavement over the weekend and took it out for a few miles and tested my limits a bit at stops/starts. I'll be very used to it in no time.
But moving it around in the garage can get a little tense. It's a honker. I've watched some online videos, but have still yet to get the hang of getting it up on the center stand solo.
All in the learning curve.....
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Hey Jet! I'm very wary of the tipiness thing. Got some dry pavement over the weekend and took it out for a few miles and tested my limits a bit at stops/starts. I'll be very used to it in no time.
But moving it around in the garage can get a little tense. It's a honker. I've watched some online videos, but have still yet to get the hang of getting it up on the center stand solo.
All in the learning curve.....
I'm 5'10 @ 190 and It's more about technique than muscle but does take some serious grunting.
More about pushing the stand forward with your foot and pulling the bike rearward with your arms than it is about trying to "lift" it.
I leave the side stand down as a back up just in case things don't go as planed.
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Center-stand trick is to make sure both feet of the stand are on the ground use the grab bar and bring it on up.
i learned from watching this guy on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lbnHxBtSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lbnHxBtSA)
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I'm glad you stepped up and bought that Connie. An '86 in that good shape is a rarity. I know you're new and this might come a little too late for the purchase process but I suggest reading my Concours Overview. In it I give some history and the good and bad news regarding our bike. Some of the info might be dated as far as accessories go but all in all it should prove helpful in the care and maintenance of your new toy. Check out the rest of the FAQs for tips on suspension and brake mods, tire choices, seats, oil, windshields, etc.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=574.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=574.0)
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Yours was one of the first posts I read when I was in the consideration phase. Thanx!