DOCPIGSKIN: If you mean the Givi kit that attaches to the frame, I have not seen one, but from what I read they are very secure. It does not use the stock rack (tells you something) and instead puts another reinforced rack above the stock one. From posts on the forum, I gather it is a fairly complex, time-consuming installation. One the other hand, mine replaces the stock rack, uses all original hardware, takes 2 minutes tops, and has the rigidity of 3/8" aluminum plate. It is far stronger than anything on the bike that it attaches to. Maybe someone who has the Givi kit will comment.