Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: stlheadake on July 21, 2011, 08:37:10 PM
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Well, I just got back from a round trip up to Calgary, Icefields Parkway, Hyder Alaska, California, and back to St. Louis. 8K miles. No problems to speak of. I am SO happy with the KiPass! My dad rides a BMW would get on his bike, get his ear plugs in, get his helmet on, get his gloves on, and "OH Chit!!". Have to take his gloves off to root around and find his key in his pocket.
This is exactly how it is supposed to work. I didn't have any issues knock on wood, but truly appreciated the ease of getting on and going! I may see it differently one day, but I think that day could be a long time from now!
I DID NOT, appreciate the heat. My 08 was warm, but coming through New Mexico, and Oklahoma the temps were in the 115 range, I rode 75 MPH with three bars showing on the temp gauge. It was cooking hot! I wanted back into Canada! It rained on us EVERY SINGLE DAY, and was generally pretty chilly with temps anywhere from 37F degrees in the mountains to 55f down low. At one point I was frozen!
All in all it was an EXCELLENT trip with my pops! So happy to have done it!
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41,000 miles in 16 months flawless. Thats all due to KiPass!
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Keeps my HONDA healthy and shiny too 8)
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Right on STL, a trip like that with your Pops sounds awesome! :thumbs:
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Right on STL, a trip like that with your Pops sounds awesome! :thumbs:
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Nice! It is good to hear you had a good time riding with your father, and that the bike performed well for you.
Brian
Well, I just got back from a round trip up to Calgary, Icefields Parkway, Hyder Alaska, California, and back to St. Louis. 8K miles. No problems to speak of. I am SO happy with the KiPass! My dad rides a BMW would get on his bike, get his ear plugs in, get his helmet on, get his gloves on, and "OH Chit!!". Have to take his gloves off to root around and find his key in his pocket.
This is exactly how it is supposed to work. I didn't have any issues knock on wood, but truly appreciated the ease of getting on and going! I may see it differently one day, but I think that day could be a long time from now!
I DID NOT, appreciate the heat. My 08 was warm, but coming through New Mexico, and Oklahoma the temps were in the 115 range, I rode 75 MPH with three bars showing on the temp gauge. It was cooking hot! I wanted back into Canada! It rained on us EVERY SINGLE DAY, and was generally pretty chilly with temps anywhere from 37F degrees in the mountains to 55f down low. At one point I was frozen!
All in all it was an EXCELLENT trip with my pops! So happy to have done it!
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I'm sitting next to my 09 C14... it's dead... looks like KiPass has bit me. Stopped for a train... tried to start bike... nada... friend took me back for secondary fob... nada... switch is locked for good. At least is was in the free position for me to push to a park. *sigh*
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Well try the unplug the grey connector under the clutch side filler panel. If would say to check the RFID part of the fob. But if neither worked, more than likely that's not it. But it can't hurt to check. remove the key out of the fob. Then place that slot on the tab on top of the key housing. IF the fob battery is bad. This should allow the key to unlock.
The grey connector is under the black boot under that cover panel. A quick unplug and re plug should give you a quick few seconds to turn the ignition to on. But you have to be quick. You should hear the click.
If that doesn't work, you'll have to check your battery. That will involve removing the battery cover plates and brackets, then sliding out the battery. Check the battery connections both on the battery and ground buses for tightness. If you have a meter, check battery voltage (preferably under load - which might be tough if the key won't turn on). You may have a bad battery as well.
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot! :popcorn:
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I'm sitting next to my 09 C14... it's dead... looks like KiPass has bit me. Stopped for a train... tried to start bike... nada... friend took me back for secondary fob... nada... switch is locked for good. At least is was in the free position for me to push to a park. *sigh*
I feel your pain. I was on my way home from a great ride to Fort Payne, Alabama for BBQ yesterday when I stopped for gas. Got back on and my 08 is dead!! Nada!! Nothing!! Zip!! Changed the fob battery. Took the battery cover off and checked the wires. Ended up leaving the bike at the gas station in Rome, Georgia and rode bitch home to Acworth with my buddy. Found someone to meet me back up there with a trailer. Took the spare FOB just in case. No such luck.
Got the bike back home. Today I took the battery out, made sure everything was hooked up ok, pushed the key and voila, it clicked and the screen lite up, but it wouldn't start. Headlights were dead. Green neutral light faded. So, I put the battery on the battery tender. It charged and showed full charge, but no luck on starting. Put everything back together to have it taken to the dealer tomorrow and now I don't get the click or screen shot when I push the key.
This is the third time this has happened. Once out in the middle of west Texas after gassing up. I don't know what I did, but after an hour or so and with me fiddling with the battery connections, it finally started. Next time I was picking the bike up at the dealer after an oil change and it wouldn't do anything. The mechanic couldn't get it going either. After leaving it another day, it started. The mechanic said he didn't know what was going on with it.
I bought this thing new and have put about 33,000 miles on it. Granted it's only happened 3 times in 33,000 miles, but what a ball breaker when it does happen.
Any ideas?
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If it were me I would invest in a new battery anyway... it's three years old. No idea what is wrong with the bike although I doubt it's KiPass. If the bike did not have the KiPass what would you look for? Bad Ground, or battery, loose terminals, cut off switch, side stand switch... check the normal bike stuff...
vivo
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KiPass has allowed 41,000 flawless miles on my '10 Kawi (which is miraculous for a Kawi), and it has also put many a wiminz on the back seat.
I took it from FL to Los Angeles flawlessly after thrashing turns in the CO Rocky Mountains. And when both sides of the road in DOWNTOWN LA stated "no parking", I parked it in the middle of the city street, sat the KiPass on the seat and walked off knowing my bike is in better hands than if Chuck &^%ing Norrris was protecting it from being hit or ticketed.
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despite the pointless nature of KI-PASS, there is one thing I noticed lately that is annoying me: when the knob is wet, I can't get it out of the lock to open the gashole, for instance, or the bags. >:(
Anyone noticed this?
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despite the pointless nature of KI-PASS, there is one thing I noticed lately that is annoying me: when the knob is wet, I can't get it out of the lock to open the gashole, for instance, or the bags. >:(
Anyone noticed this?
I haven't taken out the stove key since i purchased my bike around 16 months and 41,000 miles ago. Wish I could comment on that key.
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I haven't taken out the stove key since i purchased my bike
+1... ditto.
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despite the pointless nature of KI-PASS, there is one thing I noticed lately that is annoying me: when the knob is wet, I can't get it out of the lock to open the gashole, for instance, or the bags. >:(
Anyone noticed this?
It is probably resistance to removal caused by that cheap POS key that Kawasaki decided to use for the ignition, being slightly bent. Being wet probably just gives you much less of a grip on the keys plasitc stove knob cap!
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It is probably resistance to removal caused by that cheap POS key that Kawasaki decided to use for the ignition, being slightly bent. Being wet probably just gives you much less of a grip on the keys plasitc stove knob cap!
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It is probably resistance to removal caused by that cheap POS key that Kawasaki decided to use for the ignition, being slightly bent. Being wet probably just gives you much less of a grip on the keys plasitc stove knob cap!
:rotflmao: Bob, you kill me...
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+1... ditto.
would that be +2 ... or "double ditto"?
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I use the stove key every time I get gas. It's just too easy to pull up, turn the ignition the other way and use that key to open the tank. I don't even have to take my gloves off. My key slides in and out with no resistance. I never take the key out when it's wet or raining, though.
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I use the stove key every time I get gas. It's just too easy to pull up, turn the ignition the other way and use that key to open the tank. I don't even have to take my gloves off. My key slides in and out with no resistance. I never take the key out when it's wet or raining, though.
??? How do you pay??
I have to take my gloves off to get into my wallet anyways, so pulling the key out of my pocket really isn't an issue for me... Just seems not worth the risk with that sensitive ignition key IMO.
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Did you even read the owner's manual? One of the features of KiPass is that you no longer have to pay for fuel. Any fuel needed by any KiPass equipped bike is always provided at no cost. The fuel also seems to flow faster into vehicles using KiPass but that may just be my imagination. It really speeds things up for long distance riding too....
Brian
??? How do you pay??
I have to take my gloves off to get into my wallet anyways, so pulling the key out of my pocket really isn't an issue for me... Just seems not worth the risk with that sensitive ignition key IMO.
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+1... ditto.
I leave the thing in. Now if I could just figure out how to get my wife to quit asking me all the time if I am going to leave the key in the bike!
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??? How do you pay??
I have to take my gloves off to get into my wallet anyways, so pulling the key out of my pocket really isn't an issue for me... Just seems not worth the risk with that sensitive ignition key IMO.
Wallet is in my tank bag. My biggest fear is that my wallet works its way out of my pocket while I'm riding and ends up on the freeway somewhere. I can pop my debit card out of its own slot in the wallet and pay, fill up with gas and be back on the road without ever taking off my gloves. Which is good for me, because I'm almost guaranteed to drop one or both of my gloves if I take them off while I'm on the bike.
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Did you even read the owner's manual? One of the features of KiPass is that you no longer have to pay for fuel. Any fuel needed by any KiPass equipped bike is always provided at no cost. The fuel also seems to flow faster into vehicles using KiPass but that may just be my imagination. It really speeds things up for long distance riding too....
Brian
Hmmm...I guess I'm having a KiPass problem then. Damn you KiPass...Damn you to hell!!! If they don't fix it under warranty I guess it's time to switch brands. ;D
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If'n ya don't like KiPass then may I respectfully suggest that ya vote with yer feet.
There are several FJR & BMW forums that would love to have you whinge about their poor suspension and exploding final drives.
Kawasaki are not going to scrap KiPass because it's popular with most of us.
From what I hear it's about to appear on the ZX14, ZX10R, and a few of their big cruisers.
Mind the step on yer way out. ;D
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All I can say to that is +1!
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If'n ya don't like KiPass then may I respectfully suggest that ya vote with yer feet.
There are several FJR & BMW forums that would love to have you whinge about their poor suspension and exploding final drives.
Kawasaki are not going to scrap KiPass because it's popular with most of us.
From what I hear it's about to appear on the ZX14, ZX10R, and a few of their big cruisers.
Mind the step on yer way out. ;D
Unfortunately, I had to do just that! This great system was so unreliable it left me no other choice. But that was just my case. It doesn't change that fact that some people would like the motorcycle without the $h!t system. Although KIPASS is liked by a good amount of people. I would beg to differ. You make it sound like it is that popular that everyone wants it. Many people also could care less about it, as well as many that actually don't like or want the system.
Voting with your feet means that people wouldn't have the motorcycle they like because it is so equipped with KIPASS! That's almost as ridiculous as the system itself!!! No the people who don't care or don't like the system even though the bike has KIPASS! I feel it is every persons right to like or dislike part of the motorcycle (especially if they paid they're money for it . Just as much as it is yours to like it. But to ask people to leave because they don't like part of the bike is unreasonable. Maybe people are hoping that Kawasaki will come to it's senses and drop that POS system. Would you vote with your feet and leave if you couldn't have KIPASS on a new C14? Or would you still buy it and deal with it by voicing your opinion?
As to Kawasaki installing this on the ZX10 & ZX14. That goes against everything sporting bikes are about. That's probably why you don't see many other manufacturers installing these systems. Besides, they really don't perform any real function, other than adding weight and complexity to a bike! What a POS!
There I voiced my opinion on KIPASS, just like you! ;D
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I couldn't get it to do anything... tried other FOB... tried harness disconnect... tried the whole enchilada. Had it towed to dealer. I'll find out today what it is, free tow, so I'm not out anything yet other than $5 for a new FOB battery, and time.
I'm leaning on the battery line after spending all day yesterday going thru things in my head. Even using a BT on the bike, the battery sure did give up the ghost without a hint of doom... if it turns out to be the battery. *hoping*
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Bob, I am sorry that your C14 had an unreliable KiPass system.
From what I hear on here maybe 10 people have had the gritty ignition switch problem and one had an actual KiPass failure.
That is a pretty low number. Yes there will be more who ain't on the forum, but equally there are many more who never had a KiPass issue.
What I find a little boring is hearing the same "KiPass is ****" over and over from the same people as soon as someone even mentions the word.
Well, for you maybe it was, but for most of us it isn't.
Some probably don't care either way, others may love it, but from what I hear there are very few who hate it.
If I am wrong then please get the haters to post here and we can count them.
These systems are not aimed at convenience but more at security.
Yes, they can still lift the bike and sell it off for parts, but they can't sell it as a running bike.
Here in the UK these systems in cars have reduced car theft a massive amount.
I don't expect it to have the same effect with bikes but if it reduces the thefts by 20% then that makes our insurance cheaper.
If you live in a rural area then I envy you. The majority of us live in cities where bike theft is a daily problem.
I also carry a chain and if I leave my bike in a public place the chain goes through the rear wheel.
It won't stop a determined thief but it will slow them down.
So, most MC manufacturers will be following suit pretty soon, and the first bikes to get it will be the bigger sports bikes and other high-value bikes.
I don't think it will be long before we have HoPass, SuPass, YaPass and maybe even HDPass.
Once you have to have electronic engine management to comply with emissions regs then adding this kind of security is cheap and adds almost no extra weight.
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Well, to voice my opinion, I love the Kipass feature. It is so convenient in my books. But I do see folks having bitter feeling about it if it fails on you. It is a debilitating failure if it does. So far, my Kipass has been working perfect and I am enjoying it.
Also, I have a few colleagues at my work that come over from India. I love to see the amazement in their face that the bike starts without having to 'insert a key'. Of course, they also think that it is a 250cc (don't ask me why!). When I tell them it is close to 1400cc, their jaws just drop! ;D
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I feel Bob's pain. I dumped my ZX14 because of a recurring warranty issue Kawi couldn't fix after many trips to several stealerships begging them to finally fix it. P*ssed me off I took a loss on that bike and i didn't purchase another Kawi for over 4 years. Still not a big fan of Kawi truthfully and how mine has held up so long is unexplainable for a "Kawi"!
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I don't think it will be long before we have HoPass, SuPass, YaPass and maybe even HDPass.
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I do not know about you guys, but that sound rated 'M' to me ;D
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I do not know about you guys, but that sound rated 'M' to me ;D
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As to Kawasaki installing this on the ZX10 & ZX14. That goes against everything sporting bikes are about. That's probably why you don't see many other manufacturers installing these systems. Besides, they really don't perform any real function, other than adding weight and complexity to a bike! What a POS!
There I voiced my opinion on KIPASS, just like you! ;D
Actually some others ARE installing this type of system, the new Ducati Diavel has it albeit with a few improvements IMHO (If you don't have your FOB you can enter a code into the computer to start the bike, it doesn't use a spring loaded activation switch etc)
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From what I hear on here maybe 10 people have had the gritty ignition switch problem and one had an actual KiPass failure.
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What I find a little boring is hearing the same "KiPass is ****" over and over from the same people as soon as someone even mentions the word.
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These systems are not aimed at convenience but more at security.
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I don't think it will be long before we have HoPass, SuPass, YaPass and maybe even HDPass.
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"From what I hear on here maybe 10 people have had the gritty ignition switch problem and one had an actual KiPass failure."
Yeah a lot of the KIPASS supporters try to say stuff like that. Of course it's totally untrue. I had a few beverages one night and decided to spend a little time researching quotes from people who had some type of problem with their KIPASS, that had an actual problem with the KIPASS to an extent. (not a battery issue), because I get tired of people underestimating past KIPASS problems. So I spent about an hour quoting previous posts from threads that were actual KIPASS problems. I got board and stopped at about 40 quotes from different people. And I could have kept going, since there seemed to be plenty more. And this was the result of one search on the old forum {Kipass Failure} ! So with all do respect, I get tired of hearing how only a couple of people have ever had KIPASS trouble! ;D
"What I find a little boring is hearing the same "KiPass is ****" over and over from the same people as soon as someone even mentions the word."
You mean it isn't boaring hearing the same bunch of people rub it in our face how good it is? How it's the answer to all problems. How it cures cancer. How it saves Honda's from trains. How it makes the universe spin on a better axis, etc? That isn't boring and is alright though? When you have had trouble or don't really care for the system, you may not appreciate having how great it is, constantly thrown in your face either! ::)
"These systems are not aimed at convenience but more at security."
I don't buy it. Most bikes are stolen for parts. So security is very limited. I posted a video a while back showing a couple of guys stealing a bike chained to a pole in seconds. The cut the chain and dragged into a truck in about 5 -10 seconds. There is little security on a bike to prevent this. The only security it will prevent is you leaving your key in the ignition of your bike and having somebody just start it and ride off! This is nothing but a convince system for people who are not thinking about their riding preparations and constantly forget to take their key out before donning all their gear. Most people should not need this. But of course there are plenty of people who do. To be fair, probably everyone has done this at least once. But I bet a lot of people have also left their fob in another jacket or in the house also. So it is not infallible. 8)
"I don't think it will be long before we have HoPass, SuPass, YaPass and maybe even HDPass."
God I hope not. I would hate to see manufactureres driving up the cost of bikes with unnecessary items like this. If I need a system like this, I might as well start driving a car instead. That way I won't need to be in-coveinced with riding gear. But hopefully the CARPASS might work better than KIPASS. At least stranded in a car, I'd be out of the rain and snow! ;D
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Well, to voice my opinion, I love the Kipass feature. It is so convenient in my books. But I do see folks having bitter feeling about it if it fails on you. It is a debilitating failure if it does. So far, my Kipass has been working perfect and I am enjoying it.
Also, I have a few colleagues at my work that come over from India. I love to see the amazement in their face that the bike starts without having to 'insert a key'. Of course, they also think that it is a 250cc (don't ask me why!). When I tell them it is close to 1400cc, their jaws just drop! ;D
But it does use a key. Inserting it all depends on you and what postion the key might have been in. If you had it out for FSS, you actually will need to insert the key. ;) But in most cases people would probably leave the key in the ignition switch. Quite a few are afraid it will bend if they use it. I guess only one person has bent their key and everyone else has herd mentality! But I doubt it! ;D
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Has ANY ONE person with a '10 or '11 model reported a KiPass problem that has REALLY turned out to be KiPass? If so can you point me at the thread? The stealership friend of mine here in tampa said they have not seen one yet on a '10 or '11 model come in for Kipass.
Not saying it hasn't happened, but somehow i suspect improvements have been made because it was a major complaint on earlier models.
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Has ANY ONE person with a '10 or '11 model reported a KiPass problem that has REALLY turned out to be KiPass? If so can you point me at the thread? The stealership friend of mine here in tampa said they have not seen one yet on a '10 or '11 model come in for Kipass.
Not saying it hasn't happened, but somehow i suspect improvements have been made because it was a major complaint on earlier models.
In all honesty, I don't remember if any of the 2010 or 2011 bikes have had actual problems or not. I truly hope that this spring will be the fix needed for the past problems. One thing for dure. A bigger spring probably can't hurt. Maybe they have it now. We'll have to wait and see! 8)
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Well I'll chime in ,just after I purchased my 08 the stove key could spin 360 degrees. As it did this I had to fiddle sometimes for ten minutes or more to find the wandering sweet spot.
Finally one day I got it to release in FSS position put in key from fob and it worked fine (never removed it). My dealer was over an hour away so I had to slice/dice to arrange work...not wanting to lose bike for an extended period just after I bought it. In conversations it was clear to me that I knew way more than the dealer about Kipass...kudos to you all!
It turns out that it was the stove key itself..so rare that mother Kaw had it overnighted to them. Bike works great and I am in love w/a machine.
Mike
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Inserting it all depends on you and what postion the key might have been in.
:o :o :o :o **Must...resist...snarky....comments........ LOL
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Why? You simply cannot ruin a KiPass thread! Snarky away....
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Brian
:o :o :o :o **Must...resist...snarky....comments........ LOL
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Do you mean the ign. key handle itself? If so, they are supposed to spin all the way around in case someone tries to turn the key without the ignition being unlocked (in other words, someone turning the key without a valid fob present). ??? The body of the key will spin against the hub holding the key itself but it will work no matter what the rotation of the upper (handle) part of the key. It would look odd but it would work.
Or are you talking about the actually key and ignition turning all the way around? If that is what happened, it sounds like a broken ignition switch cylinder.
Brian
Well I'll chime in ,just after I purchased my 08 the stove key could spin 360 degrees. As it did this I had to fiddle sometimes for ten minutes or more to find the wandering sweet spot.
Finally one day I got it to release in FSS position put in key from fob and it worked fine (never removed it). My dealer was over an hour away so I had to slice/dice to arrange work...not wanting to lose bike for an extended period just after I bought it. In conversations it was clear to me that I knew way more than the dealer about Kipass...kudos to you all!
It turns out that it was the stove key itself..so rare that mother Kaw had it overnighted to them. Bike works great and I am in love w/a machine.
Mike
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Plain ole ignition switches fail too. I think have a failure rate worse than KIPASS and Bob has no proof to contradict me. Bob has a right to post what he wants but to me his posts just lack that little bit of credibility and value that they would have if he was a C14 owner.
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Do you mean the ign. key handle itself? If so, they are supposed to spin all the way around in case someone tries to turn the key without the ignition being unlocked (in other words, someone turning the key without a valid fob present). ??? The body of the key will spin against the hub holding the key itself but it will work no matter what the rotation of the upper (handle) part of the key. It would look odd but it would work.
Or are you talking about the actually key and ignition turning all the way around? If that is what happened, it sounds like a broken ignition switch cylinder.
Brian
Learn something new everyday-thanks Brian. So when it spins I'm guessing it will not necessarily Line up with the proper "marks" unless turned back to spot on?? And oddly enough it did only work correctly with mechanical key,maybe not odd ass it did not spin?
And lastly the new key works flawlessly :-\ :-\
Mike
Btw-Brian just when out to bike to experience this feature, interesting!
BTWW-it spun much easier before replacement though.
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Yes, if the top part of the key is spun in relationship to the bottom part (the metal key and hub) then the direction of the key will not line up with the markings on the ign. housing (FSS, ON, etc.). It will still work and turn the correct number of degrees but it will look odd.
I wonder if you were perhaps putting the key in the wrong position because the top was misaligned? It would be a natural result of the key being rotated anything other than full turns.
As far as your original key turning easier, it certainly may have been broken. ??? Way back in the early days of C-14s I think I remember reading about someone having a key that spun fairly freely- it sounded as though that key might have been missing a spring from the factory. Maybe your original was like that?
Brian
Learn something new everyday-thanks Brian. So when it spins I'm guessing it will not necessarily Line up with the proper "marks" unless turned back to spot on?? And oddly enough it did only work correctly with mechanical key,maybe not odd ass it did not spin?
And lastly the new key works flawlessly :-\ :-\
Mike
Btw-Brian just when out to bike to experience this feature, interesting!
BTWW-it spun much easier before replacement though.
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Plain ole ignition switches fail too. I think have a failure rate worse than KIPASS and Bob has no proof to contradict me. Bob has a right to post what he wants but to me his posts just lack that little bit of credibility and value that they would have if he was a C14 owner.
That's OK. It has become very apparent for the last four years that if you don't say something to the effect that the C14 is the best thing since sliced bread and has never had any problems or design issues, you have no credibility! Especially if you decided that the Concours14 is not the best bike for you! Then you will get flack from the forum members with closed minds who can't accept what may be true, only what they feel they have to because they own the motorcycle in question! ;D
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Yes, if the top part of the key is spun in relationship to the bottom part (the metal key and hub) then the direction of the key will not line up with the markings on the ign. housing (FSS, ON, etc.). It will still work and turn the correct number of degrees but it will look odd.
I wonder if you were perhaps putting the key in the wrong position because the top was misaligned? It would be a natural result of the key being rotated anything other than full turns.
As far as your original key turning easier, it certainly may have been broken. ??? Way back in the early days of C-14s I think I remember reading about someone having a key that spun fairly freely- it sounded as though that key might have been missing a spring from the factory. Maybe your original was like that?
Brian
Ya know I always wondered if I was at fault for screwing it up as I was not really shown how properly use it. I thought for a bit that you held key in the down/inserted position for it to work :-[ :-[
Don't tell Kaw though,hell who knows I only did it a day or so.
Mike
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Very sad to see that Cap'n Bob has become just Bob and a guest. :'(
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Possibly he'll 'Bob' back in every now and then to say hello....
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Very sad to see that Cap'n Bob has become just Bob and a guest. :'(
+1 Hope to see the friendly banter from Bob soon... great humor... will be missed.
I've learned alot about KiPass the last few days. More than I wished to know, but info that is good to know now.
The fact I haven't received a call yet from my dealer kinda leads me to think it is a KiPass issue rather than a dead battery. I think they would have ferreted out a dead battery by now and called me... you would think so anyway.
I'll give a call in a few hours just to see what is going on.
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"What I find a little boring is hearing the same "KiPass is ****" over and over from the same people as soon as someone even mentions the word."
You mean it isn't boaring hearing the same bunch of people rub it in our face how good it is? How it's the answer to all problems. How it cures cancer.
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Yes Bob, it is boring but that is just an overreaction to the masses of "KiPass Sux" posts on here from the same few people,.... over and over.
"These systems are not aimed at convenience but more at security."
I don't buy it. Most bikes are stolen for parts. So security is very limited.
But is improved as now they cannot sell on the electronics. Also if the police find a parted out C14 they can ask for the provenance as Kawasaki keep a list of EVERY owner out there.
If you sell your C14 and don't sign over the bike to the new owner with Kawi, then they will not be able to buy a replacement KiPass/ECU set.
They could also be accused of theft.
This is nothing but a convince system for people who are not thinking about their riding preparations and constantly forget to take their key out before donning all their gear. Most people should not need this. But of course there are plenty of people who do. To be fair, probably everyone has done this at least once. But I bet a lot of people have also left their fob in another jacket or in the house also. So it is not infallible. 8)
I managed for 30 years with keys but they were fiddly and inconvenient.
They broke occasionally and on 2 occasions I dropped them inside the C10 fairing.
My tools were in the trunk and the key for the trunk was on the keyring. >:(
I would prefer a system that doesn't need a key at all.
I would flick the killswitch on and push the starter once to wake the bike up and then push again to start the motor.
The gas tank would unlock once the ignition was on as would the seat, glovebox, sidebags and trunk.
You would hit the killswitch to stop the motor, and with the killswitch off press the starter button to lock the bike.
God I hope not.
Sorry Bob but the future is already here. ;)
I don't want ABS/CBS/TCS or any other acronym ridden gadget that tells me how I should be riding the bike, but I seem to be stuck with them. :(
I guess I should just go back to my C10 but I know I would miss the power and the handling of the C14.
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Here is the update...
It was a KiPass issue. The pin was stuck in the switch. Since this is my first episode with this problem, Kawasaki will not replace the switch/housing/part. My dealer is taking it apart, cleaning it up, making sure everything fits right, and works as it should. I should have her back in my hands Friday.
I plan on taking apart the switch/housing to clean it on a semi regular basis now... prevention goes a long way to not having to deal with this again. I am glad it did this 5 miles from my house instead of a 2 weeks earlier when I was in Spearfish, SD. :hail:
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The activation switch sticking down or 'ON'- yep, that will defeat the entire system.
There are a couple of work- arounds for that; the first is to unplug and then reconnect the gray connector under the top / left fairing. As soon as you reconnect it, the LCD will illuminate and you have something like five seconds to turn the key. You can do this each time you want to unlock the key until the switch itself is fixed. The second way is to splice a fuse or switch into a wire that powers KiPass ign. switch. This is the bypass I developed and it is documented somewhere on this forum. You remove and reinstall the fuse each time you need to start the bike until the switch is fixed. Both of these things are not fixes but work- arounds to get the bike started and the switch itself will always need to be fixed properly.
I believe the 'clean and lube' is the bona fide Kawasaki fix for this problem. I also think they install a heavier return spring under the switch. This problem seems to have been eliminated but can rear its ugly head on the earlier models, at least into the 2009 models.
Brian
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Here is the update...
It was a KiPass issue. The pin was stuck in the switch. Since this is my first episode with this problem, Kawasaki will not replace the switch/housing/part. My dealer is taking it apart, cleaning it up, making sure everything fits right, and works as it should. I should have her back in my hands Friday.
I plan on taking apart the switch/housing to clean it on a semi regular basis now... prevention goes a long way to not having to deal with this again. I am glad it did this 5 miles from my house instead of a 2 weeks earlier when I was in Spearfish, SD. :hail:
So they aren't going to replace the spring with the newer, heftier spring? There is one out, you know. Do they know about that?
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So they aren't going to replace the spring with the newer, heftier spring? There is one out, you know. Do they know about that?
Yes he knows... talked to K-Techie... but they won't do a thing since it was my first time having this problem, his words. I tend to believe him... he has gone to bat for me on 2 sets of rotors already.
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I had it happen to me once and I was able to get it unstuck. I used verbal abuse and turned the knob on the key 360 degrees a couple of times and it freed up. I got lucky and it hasn't happened again. I have used contact cleaner in there a few times since. I don't worry about it anymore as I now carry Maxwell's Silver Hammer with me at all times.
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KIPASS sucks!
Ok, I will be the new Capt Vivo! Do I get a star or patch as a new Capt?
Seriously, I was thinking how do we all feel about cleaning as a repair when we know a new spring is available??? Is cleaning without updating acceptable to the owners? I would have to say no in my opinion...
Personally I am thinking Kawasaki isn't taking this seriously enough. It's cool that this bike had an issue a few miles from home but it would be way less cool if he was in a different situation where being stranded caused risk for the owner...
As an owner I might be interested in signing a letter of dis-satisfacton to be sent to Kawasaki customer service or elsewhere... It is possible that with enough owners interested in voicing concerns we could change this situation? It may effect few people but does this matter? How many members here?
Or we can make fun of Bob. I can go either way... or are we so gun shy that we would rather not open this can of worms?
I am just asking... not suggesting anything....
Taking the Captn hat off now...
vivo
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To the nooBs that may not know yet:
The mighty (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif)KiPass(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif) is the best device ever created by man, although it has mad pow-ah of the gods (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/readfacts.gif)
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I am confused: in the first post you say the dealer has the bike, will be taking the ign. switch assembly apart and cleaning it. In the second post you say Kawasaki won't do a thing. Who is paying for the dealer to R&R the switch? Is it not Kawasaki covering the cost as a warranty repair? ???
By 'won't do a thing', do you mean they won't replace the spring? If so, that does not make any sense to me because the cost of the spring ($0.50 would be a lot) is nothing compared with the labor involved in opening up, cleaning up, and reassembling the ign. assembly. If someone is going to pay for the latter, why not increase the odds of addressing this issue by replacing the spring. ???
Could you please clarify this a bit? I am not criticizing you, I really want to understand what is happening here.
Thanks,
Brian
Here is the update...
It was a KiPass issue. The pin was stuck in the switch. Since this is my first episode with this problem, Kawasaki will not replace the switch/housing/part. My dealer is taking it apart, cleaning it up, making sure everything fits right, and works as it should. I should have her back in my hands Friday.
I plan on taking apart the switch/housing to clean it on a semi regular basis now... prevention goes a long way to not having to deal with this again. I am glad it did this 5 miles from my house instead of a 2 weeks earlier when I was in Spearfish, SD. :hail:
Yes he knows... talked to K-Techie... but they won't do a thing since it was my first time having this problem, his words. I tend to believe him... he has gone to bat for me on 2 sets of rotors already.
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First of all, it is Cap'n as in Cap'n Crunch, not Cap't as in the captain of a real ship. The latter implies a bit too much respect. In the second place, you will have to work your way up the ladder like everyone else. You can be Ens'n if you want but Cap'n has to be earned. And in the third place, we will need a first name to apply any additional titles: Ens'n Vivo does not even make any sense, sort of as 'Lt. Mudflap' is nonsensical. And finally I have to say, your post was kinda' funny IMO.
I have an opinion and would be happy to share it but I want to wait for clarification on who is doing what to the O.P.'s bike. Removing the activation switch, cleaning it, checking for and removing any burrs, lubing it and reinstalling used to be considered a legitimate 'repair'. We can certainly argue (and probably will) about whether this is an acceptable fix or not but again, I will wait until I better understand what is being done to the bike.
At any rate, doing 'nothing' is certainly not an acceptable way to proceed from any point of view I can think of.
Brian
KIPASS sucks!
Ok, I will be the new Capt Vivo! Do I get a star or patch as a new Capt?
Seriously, I was thinking how do we all feel about cleaning as a repair when we know a new spring is available??? Is cleaning without updating acceptable to the owners? I would have to say no in my opinion...
Personally I am thinking Kawasaki isn't taking this seriously enough. It's cool that this bike had an issue a few miles from home but it would be way less cool if he was in a different situation where being stranded caused risk for the owner...
As an owner I might be interested in signing a letter of dis-satisfacton to be sent to Kawasaki customer service or elsewhere... It is possible that with enough owners interested in voicing concerns we could change this situation? It may effect few people but does this matter? How many members here?
Or we can make fun of Bob. I can go either way... or are we so gun shy that we would rather not open this can of worms?
I am just asking... not suggesting anything....
Taking the Captn hat off now...
vivo
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Yeah.... we're going to need an emoticon for chuckling and shaking my head at the same time.
Go easy in your praise of KiPass there Steve, I am having a hard time holding Kirby back; he wants to move to Florida 'cause he thinks everyone there likes KiPass.
;D
Brian
To the nooBs that may not know yet:
The mighty (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif)KiPass(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif) is the best device ever created by man, although it has mad pow-ah of the gods (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/readfacts.gif)
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Wow... my edit button (the one in my head) really worked this time... 56 years and I am finally learning something....
I had a Czar hat on a few minutes ago when I was writing my almost sent post...
So...emmm no Capt hat? Bummer.... How did Bob get one? Capt Kangaroo wasn't in the military was he? He had a hat...
I am thinking our president should have a hat! Maybe something pointy? Not too pointy with little holes poked into the face... that's not a good hat from him. How come the word hat sounds funny? Hat... hat.... hat.... who made that word up? How come we don't wear more hats now, like we did in 1900? Does Bob really have a hat on when he is posting his rants on KiPass? I bet he does... Now we drummed him out and he is only our guest... you know we have to be nice to him now that he is a guest... Hi Bob.... want some ice tea? Like that... Kirby will now serve a plate of cookies,,,, yummmmmmy... errkkk KIRBY you ****! You ate all Bob's cookies!!!
Time for more drugs now...
vivo
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Yeah.... we're going to need an emoticon for chuckling and shaking my head at the same time.
Go easy in your praise of KiPass there Steve, I am having a hard time holding Kirby back; he wants to move to Florida 'cause he thinks everyone there likes KiPass.
;D
Brian
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Send him down here. We like the mighty KiPass (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconhammer.gif)
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Wow... my edit button (the one in my head) really worked this time... 56 years and I am finally learning something....
I had a Czar hat on a few minutes ago when I was writing my almost sent post...
So...emmm no Capt hat? Bummer.... How did Bob get one? Capt Kangaroo wasn't in the military was he? He had a hat...
I am thinking our president should have a hat! Maybe something pointy? Not too pointy with little holes poked into the face... that's not a good hat from him. How come the word hat sounds funny? Hat... hat.... hat.... who made that word up? How come we don't wear more hats now, like we did in 1900? Does Bob really have a hat on when he is posting his rants on KiPass? I bet he does... Now we drummed him out and he is only our guest... you know we have to be nice to him now that he is a guest... Hi Bob.... want some ice tea? Like that... Kirby will now serve a plate of cookies,,,, yummmmmmy... errkkk KIRBY you ****! You ate all Bob's cookies!!!
Time for more drugs now...
vivo
See what happens when you encourage him Brian?
:rotflmao:
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I am confused: in the first post you say the dealer has the bike, will be taking the ign. switch assembly apart and cleaning it. In the second post you say Kawasaki won't do a thing. Who is paying for the dealer to R&R the switch? Is it not Kawasaki covering the cost as a warranty repair? ???
By 'won't do a thing', do you mean they won't replace the spring? If so, that does not make any sense to me because the cost of the spring ($0.50 would be a lot) is nothing compared with the labor involved in opening up, cleaning up, and reassembling the ign. assembly. If someone is going to pay for the latter, why not increase the odds of addressing this issue by replacing the spring. ???
Could you please clarify this a bit? I am not criticizing you, I really want to understand what is happening here.
Thanks,
Brian
I mean they, Mama Kawasaki, won't do anything as far as replacing parts. They are having the dealer clean the switch. I am with you on this... I don't understand... one failure... 3 failures... it failed, try the spring. But then, I am not Mama Kawasaki, or her Rep on the phone making that fiddy cent decision.
Sorry about the late reply... work is a four letter word.
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Off topic, did Cap'n Bob decide to move away from this forum?
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Off topic, did Cap'n Bob decide to move away from this forum?
He posted as a "guest" yesterday with the name of "Bob". I am a little disappointed, I hope he wasn't run off after all of his anti-KiPass sentiment. There always needs to be two sides of the coin, I hope he comes back so he can balance out all of SteveWFL's KiPass worshiping. ;D
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Disappointed as well if he did....we are better than that. He is entitled to his opinions, especially he endured those experiences with KiPass...
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OK, thanks for clearing that up.
The original warranty 'fix' for a sticking activation switch was R&R, disassembly, (this is the critical part) removing the burr(s) from the stamped parts of the switch and finally a dab of grease before reassembly. That seems to have fixed the problem for everyone who reported having had it done although that is certainly not data, just anecdotal input from whoever choose to report on it. Kawasaki of course would have more info. about how successful the process was and if they are still doing it, it tends to make me think that the process works. From a mechanical point of view it <should> work; after all, we have a planet full of push button switches, some used in incredibly harsh environments (a car wash comes to mind) and they do not fail often or commonly. So maybe this really is a valid correction for the defect that causes the activation switch to stick in the first place.
As to the heavier spring: the only thing I know of this spring is from a very few postings on this and the older forum. Maybe Kawasaki is providing these springs, and maybe it was something a dealer conjured up to try and eliminate the problem (something I would do if I owned a dealership). ?? If it is a Kawasaki part, then I agree 100% that it would be incredibly stupid to withhold the spring from a warranty claim repair as it would not be even 1% of the cost of the overall job and yet would have a direct impact (no pun intended) on the performance of the very item that sticks. So something just does not sound right here- I am not saying it is you, but perhaps there is a miscommunication between your dealer and Kawasaki. Perhaps someone at Kawasaki had not yet had his / her second cut of coffee and made a terrible decision.
Back to the situation though, you should be all set once the switch is inspected, perhaps filed here and there and reassembled. If you want to install a bypass just for peace of mind, I can help you if you have any questions. It is relatively straightforward but does require soldering.
BTW nice job of keeping calm through this. Reason and rational thinking almost always wins over chest thumping and screaming. ;)
Brian
I mean they, Mama Kawasaki, won't do anything as far as replacing parts. They are having the dealer clean the switch. I am with you on this... I don't understand... one failure... 3 failures... it failed, try the spring. But then, I am not Mama Kawasaki, or her Rep on the phone making that fiddy cent decision.
Sorry about the late reply... work is a four letter word.
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Yep, I did not see that coming. Not even a little bit.... Let's hope he turned off his lava lamp, went through the bead door to his bedroom and had a nice nap.
:o ;D
Brian
See what happens when you encourage him Brian?
:rotflmao:
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Nothing comes from a rant over something I can't control... and that old saying applies... Stuff happens. ;)
I had a friend break his key off in his ignition, ST1300, when we were all packing up to ride home from the Texas Hill country... a Sunday morning... everything closed. :o He was lucky enough to have the Ace Hardware guy open up his store, locksmith pull out the broken part... make a key from a Nissan blank. So even keys can have a problem... seen it with my own eyes... LOL!!!
Just want my Ninja ST back for more ridding therapy... 8)
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He posted as a "guest" yesterday with the name of "Bob". I am a little disappointed, I hope he wasn't run off after all of his anti-KiPass sentiment. There always needs to be two sides of the coin, I hope he comes back so he can balance out all of SteveWFL's KiPass worshiping. ;D
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I didnt know we could take it apart ...
cleaning and regreasing sounds good ... doing that AND changing to the new spring sounds even better.
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I didnt know we could take it apart ...
cleaning and regreasing sounds good ... doing that AND changing to the new spring sounds even better.
Not very easily and something I would not attempt. I give mine a spritz of contact cleaner every now and then by taking out the stove knob key and spraying it around the 9 o'clock position through the slot.
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You guys really like dealing with something like this that seems to be troublesome for some people, rather than a normal key? :-\
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Troublesome for a few....not for many. We are a small subset of the Concours/GTR 14 population and we don't see that many problems with it. Certainly not enough to not buy the bike on it's merits.
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You guys really like dealing with something like this that seems to be troublesome for some people, rather than a normal key? :-\
This is the bike that we chose to buy and it came with Kipass. Love it or hate it, if you have a C14 you have to deal with it. I for one have never had a problem with it.
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You guys really like dealing with something like this that seems to be troublesome for some people, rather than a normal key? :-\
The majority of us never touch KiPass because it is the almighty. Don't get caught up in the internet herd mentality ;)
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I hold my breath everytime i press the key down while waiting for the desired click of the pin.
I hope i never have an issue with it ... but that is not my normal luck.
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I hope after the cleaning/fileing, this will be it... my one and only failure. Fingers crossed... wood knocked... ROK RA purchased... extended warranty purchased 8)
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The majority of us never touch KiPass because it is the almighty. Don't get caught up in the internet herd mentality ;)
"because it is the almighty"
You have to be kidding me. If you truly think this way, you need to get out more! LOL
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After reading this whole thread and few few other of these Keypass threads, it makes me wonder. If Kawasaki has a repair for this Keypass problem, in the way of a newer spring, then why not use it. If this failure only effects the early models and the newer bikes have been updated to a newer spring. Then why would they not replace the spring in the unit having trouble?
It would cost them pennies as already referred to previously. To not replace the spring in my opinion, would be unscrupulous behavior. If they know that a different spring seems to be helping the newer Concours. Then to omit it from the repair of a older version motorcycle is down right wrong. Knowing there is a different spring means that no matter how you slice it. Cleaning the switch and then reinstalling the older failure prone switch is in my opinion, borderline negligent. In my opinion in this case, cleaning the switch whether they found a burr or not, is not a repair.
This looks to me as if Kawasaki is trying to get over on it's customers by not truly repairing these motorcycles in good faith. The omitting of the new and improved spring would support this. So I do not agree with the lad who proclaimed this a proper repair without the known updated spring. Now I also read in some of these threads that this is not the only owner to report this same questionable proclaimed repair. I seem to have a feeling that what this fellow that told us Kawasaki informed him that no parts were replaced, he may be correct on what he heard. I am basing this mainly on what I have read one these subjects. But others have also said this. I find it hard to believe that everyone who was told no parts were replaced was partially deaf.
So it leads me to believe one of two things. The first being that Kawasaki is not properly repairing these switches by omitting the improved spring. Which I find despicable on Kawasaki's part if true. This in my opinion would be a dishonest and not honorable in any way to handle their responsibilities to the owner of the failed motorcycle.
Then there's my second thought. Maybe Kawasaki does replace the spring when cleaning this switch. But for some reason chose not to tell the the owner of the full and actual repair of their motorcycle. Maybe Kawasaki is afraid if having to do the proper thing and recall the motorcycles for a proper fix. Because lets be honest, it would cost Kawasaki corporation a good chunk of change. By not actually revealing the true repair of the bike, they could avoid a recall. But the problem with this scenario is that this is also dishonest by lying to the owner of the motorcycle and not revealing the true repairs that were made.
So after all this I think that I am reluctant to do business with Kawasaki. In my opinion it looks like they are using deceptive practices in the repairs of these motorcycles. I don't see myself doing business with a company like this no matter how good their product might be. I will think long and hard about buying another Concours after this enlightening reading. Thank you all for the information.
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After reading this whole thread and few few other of these Keypass threads, it makes me wonder. If Kawasaki has a repair for this Keypass problem, in the way of a newer spring, then why not use it. If this failure only effects the early models and the newer bikes have been updated to a newer spring. Then why would they not replace the spring in the unit having trouble?
It would cost them pennies as already referred to previously. To not replace the spring in my opinion, would be unscrupulous behavior. If they know that a different spring seems to be helping the newer Concours. Then to omit it from the repair of a older version motorcycle is down right wrong. Knowing there is a different spring means that no matter how you slice it. Cleaning the switch and then reinstalling the older failure prone switch is in my opinion, borderline negligent. In my opinion in this case, cleaning the switch whether they found a burr or not, is not a repair.
This looks to me as if Kawasaki is trying to get over on it's customers by not truly repairing these motorcycles in good faith. The omitting of the new and improved spring would support this. So I do not agree with the lad who proclaimed this a proper repair without the known updated spring. Now I also read in some of these threads that this is not the only owner to report this same questionable proclaimed repair. I seem to have a feeling that what this fellow that told us Kawasaki informed him that no parts were replaced, he may be correct on what he heard. I am basing this mainly on what I have read one these subjects. But others have also said this. I find it hard to believe that everyone who was told no parts were replaced was partially deaf.
So it leads me to believe one of two things. The first being that Kawasaki is not properly repairing these switches by omitting the improved spring. Which I find despicable on Kawasaki's part if true. This in my opinion would be a dishonest and not honorable in any way to handle their responsibilities to the owner of the failed motorcycle.
Then there's my second thought. Maybe Kawasaki does replace the spring when cleaning this switch. But for some reason chose not to tell the the owner of the full and actual repair of their motorcycle. Maybe Kawasaki is afraid if having to do the proper thing and recall the motorcycles for a proper fix. Because lets be honest, it would cost Kawasaki corporation a good chunk of change. By not actually revealing the true repair of the bike, they could avoid a recall. But the problem with this scenario is that this is also dishonest by lying to the owner of the motorcycle and not revealing the true repairs that were made.
So after all this I think that I am reluctant to do business with Kawasaki. In my opinion it looks like they are using deceptive practices in the repairs of these motorcycles. I don't see myself doing business with a company like this no matter how good their product might be. I will think long and hard about buying another Concours after this enlightening reading. Thank you all for the information.
I suspect its been upgraded/corrected in '10-'11. Thats even working on the assumtpion there is a high failure rate, A few bikes failing in an internet forum isn't a high failure rate considering all thats been sold. The dealers i spoke with in tampa have never seen a C14 with a KiPass failure, lets keep it real here even though this is the internet.
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hmmm. this all sounds too familar. The only thing missing is all the exclamation marks.
Nice try Cap'n
But you are right. 99% of all large corporations are likely unscrupulous, its probably the only way to make a lot of profit these days.
After reading this whole thread and few few other of these Keypass threads, it makes me wonder. If Kawasaki has a repair for this Keypass problem, in the way of a newer spring, then why not use it. If this failure only effects the early models and the newer bikes have been updated to a newer spring. Then why would they not replace the spring in the unit having trouble?
It would cost them pennies as already referred to previously. To not replace the spring in my opinion, would be unscrupulous behavior. If they know that a different spring seems to be helping the newer Concours. Then to omit it from the repair of a older version motorcycle is down right wrong. Knowing there is a different spring means that no matter how you slice it. Cleaning the switch and then reinstalling the older failure prone switch is in my opinion, borderline negligent. In my opinion in this case, cleaning the switch whether they found a burr or not, is not a repair.
This looks to me as if Kawasaki is trying to get over on it's customers by not truly repairing these motorcycles in good faith. The omitting of the new and improved spring would support this. So I do not agree with the lad who proclaimed this a proper repair without the known updated spring. Now I also read in some of these threads that this is not the only owner to report this same questionable proclaimed repair. I seem to have a feeling that what this fellow that told us Kawasaki informed him that no parts were replaced, he may be correct on what he heard. I am basing this mainly on what I have read one these subjects. But others have also said this. I find it hard to believe that everyone who was told no parts were replaced was partially deaf.
So it leads me to believe one of two things. The first being that Kawasaki is not properly repairing these switches by omitting the improved spring. Which I find despicable on Kawasaki's part if true. This in my opinion would be a dishonest and not honorable in any way to handle their responsibilities to the owner of the failed motorcycle.
Then there's my second thought. Maybe Kawasaki does replace the spring when cleaning this switch. But for some reason chose not to tell the the owner of the full and actual repair of their motorcycle. Maybe Kawasaki is afraid if having to do the proper thing and recall the motorcycles for a proper fix. Because lets be honest, it would cost Kawasaki corporation a good chunk of change. By not actually revealing the true repair of the bike, they could avoid a recall. But the problem with this scenario is that this is also dishonest by lying to the owner of the motorcycle and not revealing the true repairs that were made.
So after all this I think that I am reluctant to do business with Kawasaki. In my opinion it looks like they are using deceptive practices in the repairs of these motorcycles. I don't see myself doing business with a company like this no matter how good their product might be. I will think long and hard about buying another Concours after this enlightening reading. Thank you all for the information.
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I know the manager where my bike is being serviced, and he told me no parts are/were being replaced... he has cleaned it, put it together, and it works as new. If he says no parts were replaced, I believe him, no parts were replaced. After my conversation this morning with him, stating he hadn't even started the paperwork on it, asking if my bike was still under warranty and such, lends me to believe that no parts were replaced since Mama Kawasaki wouldn't have sent anything out before all of that had been established.
I am picking her up in a few hours... I will ask about any "burs".
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Yumpin' Yiminie! I believe you are right- I did not even notice it but after you mentioned that, I believe you are correct. To be honest I did not read much of 'that guy's' posts because they did seem to have an agenda and a negative connotation but after going back and reviewing, the grammar and overall use of the language does look suspiciously familiar. There are other coincidences too but I will refrain from mentioning them so that we might better be able to spot this behavior in the future, under different names.
If this belief is correct then it is too bad because it really does show a lack of respect for the truth.
Samuel.... I mean Jonathan..... I mean Ebenezer...... er, call me Ishmael. Or Brian.
hmmm. this all sounds too familar. The only thing missing is all the exclamation marks.
Nice try Cap'n
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It is interesting that your dealer says that Kawasaki would not approve any replacement parts and yet apparently the dealer did not know if the bike was under warranty. The logic there seems a bit off.... If the dealer spoke with Kawasaki about what Kawasaki would or would not replace under warranty, wouldn't everyone in the conversation (including your dealer) have to know that the bike was covered under warranty? Put another way, why would the dealer ask what Kawasaki would cover under a warranty repair for a bike that might not even be covered?
I do not have a dog in this fight and I genuinely hope it all works out for you but I still do not understand why any manufacturer would approve hundreds of dollars in warranty work only to withhold the part worth a few pennies that addresses the root of the problem. And it is especially odd that they would suggest waiting until the problem repeats itself; they would be much better served to put the spring in now to reduce the odds of it happening again.
Brian
I know the manager where my bike is being serviced, and he told me no parts are/were being replaced... he has cleaned it, put it together, and it works as new. If he says no parts were replaced, I believe him, no parts were replaced. After my conversation this morning with him, stating he hadn't even started the paperwork on it, asking if my bike was still under warranty and such, lends me to believe that no parts were replaced since Mama Kawasaki wouldn't have sent anything out before all of that had been established.
I am picking her up in a few hours... I will ask about any "burs".
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hmmm. this all sounds too familar. The only thing missing is all the exclamation marks.
Nice try Cap'n
But you are right. 99% of all large corporations are likely unscrupulous, its probably the only way to make a lot of profit these days.
? Please explain the first part if you would be so kind. What is the acronym Cap n, short for? I am not very astute observer when it comes to remembering these new texting acronyms.
I agree on the point you make on the second part. But when it is obvious to a prospective owner. I believe that I might be wise to then try for the best possible avoidance of the situation. It's not better being taken advantage of, if you are provided no warning. But you do have the remedy of an excuse. But if I am provided warning and I do not heed such warning. Then I deserve the the wrath I would incur by my own foolishness. This is my point. After reading through the Keypass threads. I really do not feel comfortable in using it. What I see in Kawasaki's makes me uncomfortable is relying on such a device, or that they will do the proper thing if and when something bad might occur. I hope you can see my point on this. I do not think the Keypass is the right fit for my needs and comfort level. I think this will be my last post in these Keypass threads. Maybe the other positives of this fine motorcycle will help me change my mind. Thank you again for your time.
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Yumpin' Yiminie! I believe you are right- I did not even notice it but after you mentioned that, I believe you are correct. To be honest I did not read much of 'that guy's' posts because they did seem to have an agenda and a negative connotation but after going back and reviewing, the grammar and overall use of the language does look suspiciously familiar. There are other coincidences too but I will refrain from mentioning them so that we might better be able to spot this behavior in the future, under different names.
If this belief is correct then it is too bad because it really does show a lack of respect for the truth.
Samuel.... I mean Jonathan..... I mean Ebenezer...... er, call me Ishmael. Or Brian.
Is this how you get your kicks on the forum. Being the bully to push the new guy around? Some of you Concours14 guys are a different breed. No problem, I will not waste your time trying to converse in a civil discussion. I'll move back to the C10 people where people do not seem to be A holes. Thanks for the fine welcome. I'm out of here.
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hmmm....are you guys trying to create an exclusive C14 community or what? Ran RiderRich off as well. You guys are becoming as bad as Cap'n Bob. He was ranting too much and you just poke fun outa the heck with anyone that ever mentions KiPass is an issue.
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hmmm....are you guys trying to create an exclusive C14 community or what? Ran RiderRich off as well. You guys are becoming as bad as Cap'n Bob. He was ranting too much and you just poke fun outa the heck with anyone that ever mentions KiPass is an issue.
For almost 4 years bbar's venom has poisoned this forum. Good riddance. If you didn't know who bbar was/is, you can't fairly judge those of us who put up with the ranting for so long. BDF tried to deal with it with humor and tried (sucessfully) to fulfill Voltaire's prayer (make my enemies ridiculous). Bob has changed names and styles several times on the forum, so it is no wonder that that BDF thinks that RiderRich is the same guy. I felt that something was odd about his posts, but it didn't click until Brian mentioned it. The intentional misspelling of "keypass", the vitriol against Kawasaki, the "I don't know anything about forums and computers", the question about the origin/meaning of "Cap'n", the type and tone of the questions and comments all scream "bbar/Bionic Bob/Cap'n Bob/Bob/etc".
RiderRich joined the forum today and has 20 posts. Not bad for a guy who knows nothing of forums & computers. QCTM If he is not a troll or a clone, he will be welcomed back. If he is either or both, the forum is better off without him. Newbs, even ones with dumb questions, have been treated pretty well here. But trolls tend to find it a bit rough at times.
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Some people take the internet too seriously. Then some act as if they do, and are trollmasters or whiners. Who knows.
Count me in as one of those who just can't get serious about internet chatter.
KiPass is the smokin' bomb regardless (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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For almost 4 years bbar's venom has poisoned this forum. Good riddance. If you didn't know who bbar was/is, you can't fairly judge those of us who put up with the ranting for so long. BDF tried to deal with it with humor and tried (sucessfully) to fulfill Voltaire's prayer (make my enemies ridiculous). Bob has changed names and styles several times on the forum, so it is no wonder that that BDF thinks that RiderRich is the same guy. I felt that something was odd about his posts, but it didn't click until Brian mentioned it. The intentional misspelling of "keypass", the vitriol against Kawasaki, the "I don't know anything about forums and computers", the question about the origin/meaning of "Cap'n", the type and tone of the questions and comments all scream "bbar/Bionic Bob/Cap'n Bob/Bob/etc".
RiderRich joined the forum today and has 20 posts. Not bad for a guy who knows nothing of forums & computers. QCTM If he is not a troll or a clone, he will be welcomed back. If he is either or both, the forum is better off without him. Newbs, even ones with dumb questions, have been treated pretty well here. But trolls tend to find it a bit rough at times.
Hmmm...good to know this.
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And deep down even Bob knows KiPass has the almighty mystical pow-ah and causes obsession (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
People just don't get it.
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Alright, guys. This thread is going nowhere so it's a locking I will go....