off topic, but this entire diversion from the original post just got me to thinking how we might be able to further remove our dependency from dealerships. Kinda like the idea of the windshields that have been in motion for awhile, what are your thoughts on a community cheapo laptop with KDS loaded on it. I'd chip in and even volunteer to do the initial setup, although I bet there are some that would benefit more from having it first to share some knowledge on its use before the system hits the road. Cheap laptop is $200 unless someone has one to donate, KDS I think runs $400-$800 (at least thats the price range I've seen).