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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2017, 03:07:33 PM »
I use Shure SE215-K ear buds with Plugfones silicone tips, orange for the left ear and yellow for the right.

Yes, earphones.  That is similar to what I use except mine are MUCH cheaper.   I just buy Philips "Music colors" which run from $10 to $16 depending on color and availability.  They tend to last about a year or so before the cords get damaged, so I have many pair.  They use removable silicone tips which generally stay in my ears well and are comfortable.  I tie a knot in the cord going to the right ear so I can tell which is which :)
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2017, 03:10:28 PM »
Yep, a lot of money to try them out. I was lucky and found a set (exactly one set) at work one day, stuck them in and fell in love (Both an Easy Boys! and 'insert joke here'). And a man in love thinks nothing of spending $50 on the object of his affection.....

Sideways ONTOPIC: I too listen to music, use an intercom and can use cell phone while riding. I use Starcom helmet speakers and just turn them up until they over- power the earplugs. Not an ideal solution but it works surprising, actually amazingly, well. I would have though everything would be all mumbly but it is not bad at all. Still, a better solution would be to put the music in my ears, then block out the external noise behind the music, as you do Marty. I have been dying to try those mini- ear buds but never have because the 'inexpensive' ones are pretty expensive (talking about the types that have NOTHING that projects from the ear), and it seems I have sensitive canals (Boys!) and am not interested in spending $XXX to find out I cannot use them comfortably. A nasty crossroads I tells' ya'. And I do not know anyone local who is using a set and besides, not sure how that would work.... borrowing someone Else's used ear buds to try out in my (used) ears, then handing them back.... (I know how I would ask though: "Hey Big Boy, can I stick your buds in my canal for a minute?").  That plus I am somewhat concerned that the wires would break / wear where they attach to the actual ear bud.

I did try a relatively inexpensive set of rigid (!!!) plugs that one makes 'at home' using a two- part mix. While I got a set to fit pretty well, I found they just would not seal unless held in with a little pressure from my fingers. And that is not desirable riding down the road on a motorcycle.

Then again, as I continue to lose both hearing and some of the interest in what I am hearing anyway, the whole thing might become a Moo point (meaning that it does not mean anything, like a cow's opinion).

Brian

Well, I was mostly just trying to give some humor credit to Brian, but still...and maybe I'm wrong because I use noise isolating ear buds for most riding...but what I really meant was that I thought few would spend over $50 for plugs that they had never tried before (and might not work for them) when there are so many others out there for less money and less quantity of minimum purchase. I've been wrong before and I'm sure I'll be wrong again.  ::) :P :-[

I use Shure SE215-K ear buds with Plugfones silicone tips, orange for the left ear and yellow for the right.
These appear to be much cheaper knock offs that might work, I'm fairly certain that for that price they don't have a removable plug at the ear bud like the Shures do but then I haven't needed mine yet.
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2017, 03:16:02 PM »
Yep, a lot of money to try them out. I was lucky and found a set (exactly one set) at work one day, stuck them in and fell in love (Both an Easy Boys! and 'insert joke here'). And a man in love thinks nothing of spending $50 on the object of his affection.....

Sideways ONTOPIC: I too listen to music, use an intercom and can use cell phone while riding. I use Starcom helmet speakers and just turn them up until they over- power the earplugs. Not an ideal solution but it works surprising, actually amazingly, well. I would have though everything would be all mumbly but it is not bad at all. Still, a better solution would be to put the music in my ears, then block out the external noise behind the music, as you do Marty. I have been dying to try those mini- ear buds but never have because the 'inexpensive' ones are pretty expensive (talking about the types that have NOTHING that projects from the ear), and it seems I have sensitive canals (Boys!) and am not interested in spending $XXX to find out I cannot use them comfortably. A nasty crossroads I tells' ya'. And I do not know anyone local who is using a set and besides, not sure how that would work.... borrowing someone Else's used ear buds to try out in my (used) ears, then handing them back.... (I know how I would ask though: "Hey Big Boy, can I stick your buds in my canal for a minute?").  That plus I am somewhat concerned that the wires would break / wear where they attach to the actual ear bud.

I did try a relatively inexpensive set of rigid (!!!) plugs that one makes 'at home' using a two- part mix. While I got a set to fit pretty well, I found they just would not seal unless held in with a little pressure from my fingers. And that is not desirable riding down the road on a motorcycle.

Then again, as I continue to lose both hearing and some of the interest in what I am hearing anyway, the whole thing might become a Moo Kaw point (meaning that it does not mean anything, like a ckow's opinion).

Brian

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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2017, 04:09:32 PM »
I did try a relatively inexpensive set of rigid (!!!) plugs that one makes 'at home' using a two- part mix. While I got a set to fit pretty well, I found they just would not seal unless held in with a little pressure from my fingers. And that is not desirable riding down the road on a motorcycle.

Yep, that was my experience too.  A lot of work and they fit great but don't really seal.
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2017, 06:06:24 AM »
Forty years of trumpets and drums has done a number on my hearing. I have to wear hearing aids just to hear WTF is going on -- really annoying, that.

While riding, you bet -- I use the foam plugs because they really do shut the sound off. While shooting, too. Oh, and mowing with the zero-turn. While talking with my wife..... :o
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2017, 08:53:22 AM »
Well, we've discussed this before on this forum and others.  I usually try to keep my opinions to myself, but as a tinnitus sufferer, I just cannot stay away from this. "WEAR YOUR EARPLUGS!!!"  Whatever works for you, find it and wear it!

I only can think of three people upon whom I would wish this living hell.  Imagine having a 5-HP vacuum cleaner or leaf blower strapped to the back of your neck and having to listen to it 24/7 FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.  Okay, so depending on your marital status, this may or may not be a change for you, but you should NOT have to put up with this.

Tinnitus is the "ringing" in your ears you hear after being subjected to a loud noise, except that it is a continuous ringing, buzzing, sometimes clicking, whining, whirring, etc..  Every noise beyond a certain loudness threshold causes a little damage and it all adds up.  The noise damages the little hairs in your ear canal, you hear the ringing, and it goes away, but only about 98% goes away.  Then the next time, 98% goes away, then the next time...........  Pretty soon all those little 2%'s add up to a continuous ringing THAT NEVER GOES AWAY.  It is your own little friend that will be with you always.

I spent too many years around aircraft and using power tools, shooting, etc., etc.  All those piston and jet engines, pneumatic tools, drills, rivet guns, un-muffled shooting ("Hey, it's just a .22/.357/.44/whatever").

 Now I live where I can hear the deer fart in the back yard, but mostly I hear

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Think of the aforementioned vacuum cleaner with a smoke alarm in the background and the hum of a large air-conditioner all going on at once.  It very often makes trying to get to sleep a very trying experience.

For you who ride bikes and also shoot and use power tools regularly, etc., you need to pay special attention as you are getting multiple hits that are (ARE, not MIGHT be) adding up to permanent ear damage.

Comparing ear protection to wearing a helmet is not the same thing.  You may ride for 50 years and a million miles and never have an accident in which a helmet would have helped you.  But you are getting ear-damaging noise ALL the time and it is adding up.  If you had a passenger sitting behind you smacking you in the back of the head with a ball-peen hammer 30 times per second you'd probably want a helmet, ya think?  That's what your bike engine is doing to your ears.

A lot of helmets don't block noise, sometimes they act as resonant chambers and actually increase the amount of noise that is reaching your eardrums.  I know my SHOEI RF1000 resonates a lot, especially with the face shield closed.

If you think earplugs will hurt your  "situational awareness" then you really need to try it out.  You'll find they don't hurt anything.  They do NOT block out emergency vehicle sirens, car horns, etc.  I know some people who won't wear them for those reasons, but those same people get into their sound-proofed SUV's and roll the windows up and crank the CD player up to max and that drowns out WAAAAAY more ambient sound than foam earplugs.  My opinion is they can make you better able to distinguish the sounds you need to hear by helping to block out that "white noise" of the engine, lifters, cam chains, tires, etc.  What's left is the important stuff you need to hear.

It may be illegal in your state to wear earplugs (doubtful, Washington State bans earphones for CAR drivers, but allowance is made for motorcycles to have speakers in the helmets, to allow for rider/passenger communications devices).  Even if it were illegal, you won't get caught unless you are doing something to attract the attention of a LEO, and have him/her notice the plugs when you pull your helmet.  Which means you are willing to break the SOME kind of law, like roaring around at 90 MPH in a 60MPH zone, so why worry about the little extra fine for the earplugs, if any?  Sweep them out of your ears onto the ground as you remove your helmet, the cop will likely never notice them.  If they do, take the drug-droppers stance and say, "Hey, not mine, man.".  I doubt they'll make you do a DNA test on the earwax.  I suspect that most LEO's understand and will not hassle you about it anyway.  After all, they all shoot and do other noisy things and many of them ride motorcycles also.  Personally, I'd rather go to court and argue the earplugs, at least I'd be able to hear the judge.  I'd gladly pay the State of Washington $100 per month for the rest of my life if it meant getting rid of the tinnitus.

Long ago the FAA and NTSB identified cockpit noise and the resulting fatigue as important factors in aircraft accidents.  Loud noise levels for long periods cause an incredible amount of fatigue, which is dangerous for motorcycle riders as well as pilots.  I agree that I am much less tired after a long ride when I have good ear plugs in, which is ALWAYS now.
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2017, 11:00:49 AM »
Well, we've discussed this before on this forum and others.  I usually try to keep my opinions to myself, but as a tinnitus sufferer, I just cannot stay away from this. "WEAR YOUR EARPLUGS!!!"  Whatever works for you, find it and wear it!

I only can think of three people upon whom I would wish this living hell. 

Unfortunately, I developed tinnitus also about a year ago (at age 47).  The sad thing, is that I have ALWAYS protected my hearing.  Always wore earplugs or earphones on motorcycle, always when shooting, always at concerts, never listened to loud music through headphones.  Sometimes I think it will happen for unknown reasons that can't be tied to just noise.  Thankfully, in my case, it is just a very high-pitched tone (13KHz) that is not very loud and is drowned out enough by everyday noise that I can tune it out.  It only really bothers me at night when I go to bed (and I even use a HEPA air cleaner that generates white noise but doesn't mask it out).  I am terrified it will get worse and have GREAT sympathy for those for whom it is.  I read about people committing suicide due to it (and given that I have an obsessive disorder that especially affects me with sounds, I can very much relate).

That said, one of the leading causes of tinnitus is cumulative damage from noise over a person's life, so protect your hearing, even when it doesn't seem like the activity is all that loud.
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2017, 12:58:48 PM »
I find it interesting that you participate in forums and 'try to keep your opinions' to yourself. ?? That is what powers forums, opinions.... well, opinions and facts, and the facts are often in dispute. :-)  But a lot of people value the idea of sharing opinions, myself included.

Maybe you are thinking of that other "O" word, 'obnoxious'. By all means, please do not share obnoxious but forge ahead with the opinions. Extra points for a well- stated opinion and the entire jackpot for a well- thought out, developed opinion.

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As far as the LEO's go, I have had to actually put up my hand to stop an LEO from talking to me while I take off a helmet and pull out an earplug. Without exception, every one of them has waited patiently and then ignored the fact that it is technically illegal to wear them in the first place. Frankly, I would be really surprised if a LEO actually wrote that down on a summons, even if it was just added to the other thing(s) that got the citation written in the first place. But in the end, I simply care more about my comfort (whatever amount I can squeeze out given tinnitus and already poor hearing) and actual safety (real safety, such as not being nearly as fatigued after riding hours and hours) than 'made- up' safety (laws that prevent wearing ear plugs while riding). And in the end, if the LEO and the judge feel the need, I will pay the fine as it is not nearly as big a deal as 1) slowing the deterioration of my hearing and 2) comfort (or lack of discomfort such as I get after even an hour riding with a full- face helmet but without ear plugs in place).

As I sit in front of my desk and write this, in a quiet environment, the tinnitus in my left ear ("heard" as steady, radio- like static) is really annoying. The good news is that these days the risk to hearing (as well as eyesight, air quality and a bunch of other things) is recognized and universally addressed; even the local SWAT team practices with full hearing and eye protection in place 100% of the time the range is hot. Oddly enough, I am the person enforcing that rule being the RSO quite often- the guy with the bad hearing from excessive loud noise, such as shooting. But for a lot of my adult life, personal safety (Easy Boys! not THAT kind of safety!) was just not addressed usually and when it was, it was often by being ribbed by others for being a 'wuss' or similar. We are a little bit more enlightened now.....

Brian

Well, we've discussed this before on this forum and others.  I usually try to keep my opinions to myself, but as a tinnitus sufferer, I just cannot stay away from this.

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It may be illegal in your state to wear earplugs (doubtful, Washington State bans earphones for CAR drivers, but allowance is made for motorcycles to have speakers in the helmets, to allow for rider/passenger communications devices).  Even if it were illegal, you won't get caught unless you are doing something to attract the attention of a LEO, and have him/her notice the plugs when you pull your helmet.  Which means you are willing to break the SOME kind of law, like roaring around at 90 MPH in a 60MPH zone, so why worry about the little extra fine for the earplugs, if any?  Sweep them out of your ears onto the ground as you remove your helmet, the cop will likely never notice them.  If they do, take the drug-droppers stance and say, "Hey, not mine, man.".  I doubt they'll make you do a DNA test on the earwax.  I suspect that most LEO's understand and will not hassle you about it anyway.  After all, they all shoot and do other noisy things and many of them ride motorcycles also.  Personally, I'd rather go to court and argue the earplugs, at least I'd be able to hear the judge.  I'd gladly pay the State of Washington $100 per month for the rest of my life if it meant getting rid of the tinnitus.

Long ago the FAA and NTSB identified cockpit noise and the resulting fatigue as important factors in aircraft accidents.  Loud noise levels for long periods cause an incredible amount of fatigue, which is dangerous for motorcycle riders as well as pilots.  I agree that I am much less tired after a long ride when I have good ear plugs in, which is ALWAYS now.
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 05:35:59 PM »
Diesel submarine engine room for six years with no hearing protection. Now most of what I hear is a high frequency sound like EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'
It never goes away and the quieter the room is the more it bothers.

WEAR THOSE EAR PROTECTION DEVICES!!!

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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2017, 05:57:40 PM »
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Re: wearing ear plugs
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2017, 08:35:37 PM »
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